Author Topic: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)  (Read 3200 times)

Offline Gyppo

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I guess my subject header makes my views clear enough.

Here's the link, and a short quote.

http://news.yahoo.com/professor-says-kids-no-longer-learn-spelling-grammar-132007441.html

Spelling and grammar are “a bit unnecessary because they are skills that were very essential maybe 100 years ago but they are not right now,” Mitra said. “Firstly, my phone corrects my spelling so I don’t really need to think about it and, secondly, because I often skip grammar and write in a cryptic way.”

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Cue Victor Meldrew . . . I don't believe it!

I also hear a poet recently, highly acclaimed, but with all the guff about testing the boundaries of language and creating a new one, I was at a loss at what to say . . . we're still using 'English' so how can the work be appreciated if the audience is alienated/excluded by this wondrous new way of streamy consciousness-synergynistic-jazzriff-arse speak have any appeal? ::)

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Spoken like someone who only speaks one language. Try to skip grammar in that department, and you'll be laughed out of town.

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Seems there are extreme weirdos on both sides of this issue these days.

Here's the thing, all languages are in constant flux. And have always been. I think rather than trying to protect English or, heralding the need to embrace change, some academics are merely looking to stir-up the pot for a little attention. Writing is and will always be for the purpose of passing information to people who are not present at the time of expression. So even though the rules for writing may change over time, we follow the rules as they are at the time we write them. If we want other people to be able to understand what we have written that is.  
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well that prof is a tech expert. In other words, a scientist. They use that other part of the brain. The problem is that these engineers and scientists, etc. don't know how to write those little brochures with instructions on how to connect the what'sis to the who'sis, so they have to hire copywriters to work hard at trying to figure out the tech jargon and transfer it to the instruction booklet so that the ordinary person can understand it.

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Cue Victor Meldrew . . . I don't believe it!

I loved that show :)

I agree with Paley about having a base from which to build on. I certainly do not agree that all this techno text-speak will be adopted by everyone. I still find myself adding in capitals and commas in the right places when I send a text - sure, it takes longer, but it feels too foreign not to.
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Don't worry, no one will take him seriously. You can even find 'professors' who think the Earth's only 6,000 years old if you look hard enough. Doesn't mean anyone takes any notice of them!
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I'm the same as you in this respect Sunny. I can't send any kind of texts via phone or pc, without putting the marks in (except 'The Question Thread,' it seems?) ha ha. B
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Offline ChrisHarrison

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My alarm bell flew off the wall when I noticed the story was lifted from the Dail Mail, so before everyone calls for tearing this guy's eyeballs out allow for the possibility that the rancourous Mail has quoted him out of context. 'We don't need to talk proper no more' stories are what the Daily Mail lives for, along with 'them immigrants taking all our jobs' and 'single mothers are causing the housing shortage crisis' stories.

However, I have heard other people calling for a relaxation of grammatical rules and my opinion is that in some cases it is perfectly valid, if old rules cause confusion. What concerns me is when people call for simplification simply because they can't be bothered to make the effort to learn and expect standards to be brought down to their level.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2013, 06:23:57 AM by ChrisHarrison »

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I studied Linguistics in grad school, and one of my favorite memories was during a group study session grumbling about a professor, somebody bursts out "He's just such a [bleeping] prescriptivist!" -- and everybody else is like UGH EXACTLY!

To me it seems like sort of an extension of writing longhand versus typing.  My grandmother (and most of her generation, as far as I could tell) had beautiful cursive writing, and was appalled at the state of mine, which I thought was absurd because I've never needed to be able to write legibly.  I suppose a lot kids today who have literally never used a form of written communication without spell check find it similarly laughable.

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I too studied Linguistics in college and found it to be one of the two hardest courses to get through. Studied more in that class than any other and still only got a B.  One thing I learned was that no matter what language you speak, even the ignorant dialects have their own grammatical rules.

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Firstly, my phone corrects my spelling so I don’t really need to think about it

So based on that mentality, my first thought was who will program these machines for the up coming generations who can no longer form a sentence read by anyone else?  :D
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So based on that mentality, my first thought was who will program these machines for the up coming generations who can no longer form a sentence read by anyone else?  :D

Why, their phones will do that, of course. >:D.

There is a term for people like that ZOMBIES. They don't want to think, they don't want to learn, they just want to be on auto pilot and get through the day. 'Why should I learn when my phone can do it for me?' Someday, somewhere they will be without a phone (I hope).