Author Topic: Contradictions.  (Read 4584 times)

Offline SparkyDashforth

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #15 on: November 08, 2011, 01:22:19 PM »
Thank you Heidi,

yes I am a curmudgeon at times and yes I do take poetry seriously.  I love fun poems though and if i can
I will bring humor into a poem.  

There are a few things I have noticed happening in this forum recently that I have found to be a trend.
I am not a moderator here and I don't pretend to speak from any level of authority.  I like forums like this
for they give new poets a chance to share and receive constructive criticism.  However, when posters
preface their posts with comments like:

"Yea, wrote this unfinished, untitled poem in the toilet during lunch break last year.  Its probably crap
but I am a newbie and am posting it here anyway'

I am paraphrasing and generalizing the sort of thing, but I am sure you get the idea!

I think this trend is fostered by such social networking sites like Facebook. The posters feel its okay
to post rough drafts and ungrammatical poems just because they can.  A poetry forum can be overrun
by that kind of thing.  It is not okay to just post stuff just because you can.  It is not okay to
post and then disappear.  It is not okay to blow off criticism.  It is not okay to say you are not
a poet as a blanket excuse for writing poorly.

Personally I think this board would be better if it had a section for young people and first time posters.
It would allow the so called 'serious' writers to concentrate on the stated purpose of the forum.
A 'serious' writer can be a newbie writer, the "seriousness' is in the sincerity they bring to the work
and in the amount of open-mindedness they have for the critiques.  In other words their willingness to
learn and improve.

Just some general thoughts

sparky



Offline Vienna

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #16 on: November 08, 2011, 01:58:12 PM »
Sparky is indeed Sparky but if you post your poems up for review and get criticism then thank the reader for their time and get on with it. DO NOT engage the reader/critic in argument, there simply is no point. For me writing is a serious business, but fun belongs in there too. This "poem" isn't fun. Basically Sparky, in this case is right. IMHO
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Offline SparkyDashforth

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2011, 02:03:49 PM »
Thanks Richard
you said it more succinctly than I !   :D

Offline heidi52

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2011, 02:43:46 PM »
I do agree with you Sparky. Maybe you are right about the facebook thing, I think a lot of it is a generation who has heard nothing but "good job" for even the most mediocre of efforts.

Most of us here are serious about the business of writing. Most of us know too that we won't improve without serious well thought out criticism, and a desire to go back, revise and get it right.

Maybe we should have a separate section for the dilettantes. Any idea what we could call it?  ::)


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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #19 on: November 08, 2011, 02:44:49 PM »
If you're not interested in receiving critiques that may or may not help you improve your craft, we have a board for that.

Check out the Gallery:

http://www.mywriterscircle.com/index.php?board=15.0.html

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Offline SparkyDashforth

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #20 on: November 08, 2011, 02:49:38 PM »
Well said Heidi!

Hi Alice,
yes of course. I had not thought of the Coffee Shop, that would be a good place
for those who just want to post with no feedback.

Now if only we could persuade them to use it!

sparky

Offline Vienna

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #21 on: November 09, 2011, 03:34:54 AM »
Sparky, I think they want feedback/crit until they actually get it. Eyes are opened to the fact that the "great poem" hasn't been written by them.
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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #22 on: November 09, 2011, 04:25:49 AM »
I would like to say I truly appreciated everyone that took the time to
read my poem, I appreciate that and I really enjoyed reading and commenting on others.
I clearly asked for constructive criticism and tho some of you seem to
bow to sparkys every word you can surely agree that leaving a post
''The platitudinous rhetorical questions are truly shallow'' is not constructive criticism, The other
advise I've received was helpful, constructive and worthwhile, thanks for that.

I have to say from my first impressions from joining it is obvious that there
are certain characters that are regulars and clicky, for me it was like starting a new
school trying hard to fit in and when your inexperienced and not of the same
standard it proves even harder...I wasn't expecting to get a pass
that was a joke as I had picked upon sense of humors I thought it would be
taken that way....I have a full time job and between 3 other million things I
have to do each day this was a small release and helped me get away from the
stress and annoyance i was going through...this has only added to it...People should
keep an open mind and remember not every member is the same...

Sparky as you are so carelessly frank you won't mine me saying  
you are manipulative, you've used my comment to harp on to get what you've
probably wanted for some time, a space for only '' Serious Poets''.
I have waisted your time and you clearly hate that so in return
I've saved you some of your precious time and canceled my membership, no need
for you to unsettle your self from the firm place you have here.
I didn't read the small print but mistakenly thought this form
would be good for me, I've never felt so intimated or bullied in my entire life.
As experienced as you are in poems you lack in humanity.

Sensitive souls to not belong on this form, seems its suited better
to grumpy old men.

Over and out for me.  ;)

My last post...

Bye Bye. (Have Fun)


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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #23 on: November 09, 2011, 04:41:44 AM »
Oh dear Oh dear! Don't take things too personally eh? If you get like this about a few comments here I really don't know what  you would do if you received a really hard crit somewhere else. Bowing down to Sparky I don't think anyone does. I don't think anyone bows down to anyone here. Everybody treats everybody with respect or they should do. I don't find MWC cliquey at all but everyone has their own opinion. If you want to leave you are free to do so of course but why not stick around and learn? It might be worth it.

PS You didn't use spell check again eh? ;D
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Offline heidi52

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #24 on: November 09, 2011, 06:46:06 AM »
PS You didn't use spell check again eh? ;D

You're incorrigible!   ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #25 on: November 09, 2011, 06:50:49 AM »
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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #26 on: November 09, 2011, 06:59:29 AM »
I clearly asked for constructive criticism and tho some of you seem to
bow to sparkys every word you can surely agree that leaving a post
''The platitudinous rhetorical questions are truly shallow'' is not constructive criticism,

Actually, I think it is constructive - it is telling you what is wrong with the poem (in Sparky's opinion). It is full of platitudes and rhetorical questions and is shallow.

it is not kind, but it is constructive. And I agree with it (omg, there I go, bowing to sparky's every word again ;) ) - and can sort of forgive sparky for not being kind on this occasion, as it is a bit annoying to give feedback only to have the poster come back and say, "Oh, this old thing, I just tossed it off without thinking years ago." - why waste people's time asking for feedback then, if it isn't a poem you care about?

Not sure if you're still around, but as Alice has pointed out, if you want limited feedback, the gallery is the place to post.
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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #27 on: November 09, 2011, 07:14:58 AM »
"And I agree with it (omg, there I go, bowing to sparky's every word again Wink ) "

Hey Amie, who the hell bows to my word! :D That would be really cool if it were true.
O I get it. You agree with what I said, not the 'bowing to sparky bit! ;D ;D

Yea, and if I am part of some inner group then I must have missed that memo :P

Will just sign myself GOM from now on ;D

GOM 
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Offline heidi52

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #28 on: November 09, 2011, 07:56:16 AM »
Don't keep it all for yourself. I want to be part of the click too.  ;D ;D ;D

I can see it now
the GOM squad
dedicated to stomping out poetic inanity wherever it lurks.

I'll have to work on that bowing part though, think I could get the hang of it if I practice?

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Re: Contradictions.
« Reply #29 on: November 09, 2011, 08:10:53 AM »
"I'll have to work on that bowing part though, think I could get the hang of it if I practice?"

Sure you could Heidi, but its not absolutely necessary for All to bow down before Sparky
just a curtsy will do ;D

Wanna join the GOP squad then?  Grumpy Old Poets  ;D  Of course if you are a democrat you
might take offense.

Thanks for the laugh

GOM