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Offline Jonathan_Harker

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Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« on: December 22, 2008, 07:37:01 AM »
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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2008, 07:46:43 AM »
People still crave the traditional plots and endings
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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2008, 03:02:01 PM »
I don't care one bit for it, but looking at the romance stuff that gets sold at any supermarket, I'd say it's still popular.  :)

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2008, 04:28:10 PM »
It's still popular... but I say that there's a healthy new market of women looking forward to plots with the boy and girl doing it the other way around ;D I'm more into this type, to be honest, for the same reason as to why guys always seem to imitate Clint Eastwood's raspy voice and his 'Are ya' feelin' lucky, punk?'

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2008, 07:40:24 PM »
I doubt James Bond would be popular if he didn't get the girl.

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2008, 01:17:54 AM »
James Bond wouldn't be James Bond if he didn't get the girl! After fifty or more years (correct me if I'm wrong) of romancing three or less women in each of his movies-- I think that if something like this ever happened the next James Bond movie would be about him searching for his lost mojo while disregarding the atomic bomb in Mister Yeller's backyard :D ;D

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2008, 08:29:27 AM »
I would never have thought of James Bond as an example of "getting the girl," but that may be because I, like most book readers, am a woman.  All Bond usually gets is sex, as I remember. 

The boy can save the girl; the girl can save the boy; they can save each other. 

What is out of date is the kind of book where the hero is the active character and the heroine is totally passive.  If the heroine is a McGuffin, so she could be replaced by a treasure, or a fabulous jewel, or a mistreated puppy, I don't want to read it.  If you imagine the roles reversed, and you find yourself saying, "But what the heck is he doing while she's trying to rescue him?" then you're a little out of date.

Also, being able to kill dragons and rescue the princess isn't enough to win her love.  Dorothy L. Sayers took care of that in the thirties, with Strong Poison, Have His Carcase, and Gaudy Night, in which the heroine's burden of gratitude turns into an almost insuperable barrier between them.  And Robert Munsch did it for children in 1980, with The Paper Bag Princess.

There has to be something else.
   
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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2009, 01:47:00 PM »
I have noticed, myself, that some of the girls that Bond sleeps with die. One way or another, he had a wife once and she died! holy crap on a stick! So, I decided never to have 'sex' with James Bond, I'll probably be alive by the end of the movie then. *lol*

Ah, what you are all forgetting is that chivalry died with society. The reason why the women walk nearest to the building is because the bed pans had to be emptied and the woman couldn't be stained with feses and what not. So, when on the arm of a man, she walked on the inside and he walked on the outside where the refuse would undoubtedly fall and therefore, save his lady friend from an undignified strole.

People don't do that any longer. Boy are no longer taught to get the door for the lady, or to seat her first or anything. It totally sucks!

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2009, 02:36:01 PM »
If you're only asking about books the answer has to be no.  Whether people like it or not there is still a market.  If you're asking about the real world, well some of us still like to rescue damsels in distress.  Even if we are more careful in case she's just 'bait' for a planned mugging.

Damn me!  I still walk on the 'outside' when escorting a Lady.  I still keep my sword arm free, although in these modern times it's rarely a sword but something which looks far more innocent.  The only time this really falls down is when the female in question is either a Mother or works in childcare.  They are so used to keeping the kids on the inside that we end up warring over the few inches of kerb alongside the road.

Door opening?  I do it without thinking, but occasionally some young lass will hold a door for the 'old man', which makes me smile.  It's good to see that this bit of common courtesy has crossed the gender divide.

Pulling out chairs?  Helping a lass on with her coat?  That depends on the lass.  Some still appreciate it, some find it 'creepy'.

Raising my hat to a lady?  This is an odd one.  There are times when it just seems the right thing to do, like taking off your hat when a funeral procession passes.

As for killing Dragons...  The flesh and blood kind are pretty thin on the ground these days, but there's still challenges aplenty for a wandering Knight Errant.  Sometimes I yearn for the simplicity of a fire-breathing dragon.

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2009, 03:50:12 PM »
Awe, Gyppo, boy do I wish I had a young man like you at my side! *lol*
I think the whole chivalry thing is now part of the characters. Like a charming Vampyre or something along those lines.

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2009, 04:15:56 PM »
This plot premise is very much alive, but it's more disguised these days.  Hell, Nicholas Sparks built his entire career on it you know...  ;D

The Lucky One comes to mind. 

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Re: Did Chivalry Die with Don Quixote?
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2009, 04:19:31 PM »
Hmm...I shall have to read that book. I do understand and support the idea of making it not stick out like a sore thumb that has been bitten by a snapping turtle. *lol*