well, gee. gray, as you know i love to tell you you're completely wrong, but once again i get to do that. the yamrus poem engages the visual senses in an obvious way, it engages the sonics in the way i described above, it engages the mind in several ways, only one of which is mentioned above, and it engages the feelings in your toes in an as yet undefined manner. you are wrong that a poem is intrinsically about its sound ... read my definiton ... while a poem is essentially a spoken thing, it is not intrinsically a spoken thing. yes i know, i contradict myself. either whitman or george bernard shaw put that right ... and you are wrong about something else, but i forget what it is. i will not repeat my questions for you, and if this is not enough reason to jump off the cliff, i don't know what is. goodbye, i have a flying lesson to attend.