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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #30 on: November 20, 2008, 04:08:13 PM »
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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #31 on: April 18, 2009, 04:54:26 PM »
I haven’t updated this thread for some time as there's been nothing new to report since the federal appeals court in Atlanta heard Troy Davis’s appeal for a new trial on 9th December. However…

The Court announced its decision to reject Davis’s appeal on 16th April with a 2 to 1 majority.

There is overwhelming evidence that Davis might well be innocent, but the two majority judges stated several times that they were constrained by procedural rules and technical reasons in having to reject the appeal.

On the other hand, the one dissenter - Judge Rosemary Barkett – stated that: “To execute Davis, in the face of a significant amount of proffered evidence that may establish his actual innocence, is unconscionable and unconstitutional.”

Amnesty International has commented that: “Yet again the courts are placing procedural obstacles over the critical issue of innocence, and, by extension, the value of human life. The bar for admitting evidence has been raised to such a level that no one arguing his innocence would be able jump that hurdle.”

The Court has mandated a continuation of Davis’s stay of execution for a further thirty days so that his lawyers can pursue a final appeal before the U.S. Supreme Court. However, there can be little hope of success since the Supreme Court declined to consider a previous appeal in October 2008.

Amnesty International have asked that people “keep flooding Governor Perdue's office with emails demanding justice for Troy” at http://takeaction.amnestyusa.org/siteapps/advocacy/index.aspx?c=jhKPIXPCIoE&b=2590179&template=x.ascx&action=12168.
It literally takes just a couple of minutes.

Refs:
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/04/16/georgia.troy.davis/
http://www.amnestyusa.org/document.php?id=ENGUSA20090416004&lang=e
http://www.ajc.com/news/content/metro/stories/2009/04/16/troy_davis_appeal.html


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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #32 on: August 17, 2009, 07:46:54 PM »
Some good news at last!

Here's the quote from the Amnesty International email I just received:

"The U.S. Supreme Court granted Troy Davis the chance to finally present crucial evidence in court that may prove his innocence.

"Until now, Troy has been denied the opportunity to present all the facts supporting his case. But after a 6-2 ruling from the nation's highest court, Troy will get that chance at justice we've been fighting for since day one."
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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2009, 06:30:27 PM »
Here a couple of links to articles that put a bit more flesh on the bones of my previous post:

'Hearing for US death row inmate' (BBC) at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8206032.stm.

'Supreme Court Orders New Look at Death Row Case' (New York Times) at http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/us/18scotus.html?_r=1&bl&ex=1250740800&en=7d0939d85b32733a&ei=5087%0A.

Rather alarmingly, the New York Times reports one of the dissenting Supreme Court Justice's opinion as follows:

'Justice Scalia, in a dissent joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, said the hearing would be “a fool’s errand,” because Mr. Davis’s factual claims were “a sure loser.”

He went on to say that the federal courts would be powerless to assist Mr. Davis even if he could categorically establish his innocence.

“This court has never held,” Justice Scalia wrote, “that the Constitution forbids the execution of a convicted defendant who had a full and fair trial but is later able to convince a habeas court that he is ‘actually’ innocent.”'

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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #34 on: August 20, 2009, 08:35:18 PM »
'Justice Scalia, in a dissent joined by Justice Clarence Thomas, said the hearing would be “a fool’s errand,” because Mr. Davis’s factual claims were “a sure loser.”

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« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2009, 08:58:29 PM »
Clarence Thomas------the guy who sexually harrassed Anita Hill back in the early 1990's?

And Antonin Scalia---Views on the death penalty (source Wikepedia)

Antonin Scalia delivered a speech at the University of Chicago Divinity School in 2002 expressing his views on the subject of the death penalty. In a speech refuting many common lines of thought, Scalia declares himself neutral on the death penalty, but defends its usage as not being immoral.[64]

“ This is not the Old Testament, I emphasize, but St. Paul.... [T]he core of his message is that government—however you want to limit that concept—derives its moral authority from God.... Indeed, it seems to me that the more Christian a country is the less likely it is to regard the death penalty as immoral.... I attribute that to the fact that, for the believing Christian, death is no big deal. Intentionally killing an innocent person is a big deal: it is a grave sin, which causes one to lose his soul. But losing this life, in exchange for the next?...

For the nonbeliever, on the other hand, to deprive a man of his life is to end his existence. What a horrible act!... The reaction of people of faith to this tendency of democracy to obscure the divine authority behind government should not be resignation to it, but the resolution to combat it as effectively as possible. We have done that in this country (and continental Europe has not) by preserving in our public life many visible reminders that—in the words of a Supreme Court opinion from the 1940s—"we are a religious people, whose institutions presuppose a Supreme Being."... All this, as I say, is most un-European, and helps explain why our people are more inclined to understand, as St. Paul did, that government carries the sword as "the minister of God," to "execute wrath" upon the evildoer."

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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #36 on: August 21, 2009, 01:02:24 PM »
I checked 'undecided.' However, I changed my mind as I was clicking the submit button. What changed it was something I read about two hours ago. In 1998, there were 96 murders (including nonnegligent manslaughter) in Berlin, the leading German metropolis for murder. In the same year, there were 694 murders in Chicago. Germany does not use the death penalty. I'm not particularly sure why this so, though. I haven't looked into it that far.

I do, however, think punishments are too lenient for the more heinous crimes, such as rape, murder and crimes against children. Obviously, the perpetrators are not being deterred. The punishment for the crime should encourage others not to commit that crime. If the death penalty isn't doing it, they need to come up with something that works.
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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #37 on: August 21, 2009, 05:55:38 PM »
Tina, thanks for your input. It would seem that Justice Thomas was indeed the same man who was accused of sexually harassing Anita Hill, but the case against him has not (yet?) been proven. It would be hypocritical of me not to mention this, but having read some of the details of that case, I'm still allowed to have my own thoughts on the matter.   ;)

As for Justice Scalia, I have to say that your quotations from him make me doubt how the words 'Justice' and 'Scalia' could ever be connected. Perhaps it's because I'm a mere European.  ;D

Aspiring, thanks for your comment too and for the statistic, which adds further weight to the argument that the death penalty is not an effective deterrent.

Personally, I believe that one of the most convincing arguments against capital punishment as a deterrent came from the mouth of one of Britain's last Official Executioners, Albert Pierrepoint. Having carried out over 400 executions and subsequently retired, he said:

'I have come to the conclusion that executions solve nothing, and are only an antiquated relic of a primitive desire for revenge which takes the easy way and hands over the responsibility for revenge to other people...'  (I quote him in more detail earlier in this thread at http://www.mywriterscircle.com/index.php?topic=17137.15 Reply # 24.)
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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2009, 11:43:18 PM »
I thought this story would be appropriate in this thread.  Hope you don't mind Xerika.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_re_us/us_ohio_execution

 

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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2009, 04:53:40 AM »
I thought this story would be appropriate in this thread.  Hope you don't mind Xerika.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090916/ap_on_re_us/us_ohio_execution

 

The report demonstrates just how barbaric capital punishment is. No amount of intellectual m*sterbation can justify this.

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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2009, 11:47:37 AM »
Thanks for commenting Conan.    No amount of intellectual m*sterbation can justify this..................well said!

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Re: Troy Davis - Execution of an innocent man?
« Reply #41 on: May 29, 2010, 10:05:21 PM »
Some good news at last!

Here's the quote from the Amnesty International email I just received:

"The U.S. Supreme Court granted Troy Davis the chance to finally present crucial evidence in court that may prove his innocence.

"Until now, Troy has been denied the opportunity to present all the facts supporting his case. But after a 6-2 ruling from the nation's highest court, Troy will get that chance at justice we've been fighting for since day one."


At long last, the trial date has been set for 23rd June, so we'll have to wait and hope. http://blog.amnestyusa.org/deathpenalty/troy-davis-hearing-in-4-weeks/

I realise that this thread has been running for a long time, but that's just the way the judicial system works, and I don't feel the need to apologise for raising the issue once again.

In a nutshell, Troy Davis will be executed if the trial goes against him in three weeks' time for a murder that, in all probability, he did not commit.

If you're interested enough to know the details of the Troy Davis case, have a look at Page One of this thread or go to Wiki at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy_Davis_case



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