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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2008, 10:45:40 AM »
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Am I right in thinking that Obama can't do exactly as he likes (if he becomes president) but has to abide by the Senate?

In theory, congress passes the laws and the president either signs them or vetos them.  Congress would then have to override the veto.  Bush signs laws and adds the codicil that he has no intention of obeying them. 

The Democrats have had a majority in congress for two years and have done nothing about this.  Instead they have spent two years whining and wringing their hands and suddenly jump to the conclusion they are qualified to run the country.  Gag me.
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #91 on: August 29, 2008, 05:30:00 PM »
In theory, congress passes the laws and the president either signs them or vetos them.  Congress would then have to override the veto.  Bush signs laws and adds the codicil that he has no intention of obeying them. 

The Democrats have had a majority in congress for two years and have done nothing about this.  Instead they have spent two years whining and wringing their hands and suddenly jump to the conclusion they are qualified to run the country.  Gag me.

Thanks for your answer Don ;D
Im quite ignorant on how the US government works.

As you may know,we're having probs over here in UK too. Gordon Brown is turning out to be an unpopular primeminister and Im not sure if you have the same, but we seem to be going into recession (the euro zone is said to be in recession)...but no one seems to want to use the dreaded word.
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #92 on: August 30, 2008, 02:47:12 AM »
So McCain has chosen a women for his running mate.

Am I the only one who suspects that if the Democrats had chosen Hilery Clinton for presidential candidate, McCain would have chosen a black man?
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #93 on: August 30, 2008, 02:48:46 AM »
So McCain has chosen a women for his running mate.

Am I the only one who suspects that if the Democrats had chosen Hilery Clinton for presidential candidate, McCain would have chosen a black man?
He should have chosen a Latino, that would've gone down a storm.

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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #94 on: August 31, 2008, 07:32:35 AM »
Just watched Obama's speech. My honest reaction...

Goosebumps.


I'm with you, Bobby.  That speech was spine-tingling and providing some evil miscreant doesnt choose to rob not only America, but the world, of this man, I think we could be in for a great ride.
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #95 on: August 31, 2008, 08:11:33 AM »
The move by John McCain was actually a stroke of brilliance. I don't know what he would have done if Hillary had been with Obama. Maybe the same thing.

Ms. Palin is down home American. Maybe the change that is needed is to whittle the professional politicians out and get citizens more involved. She's mostly been a wife and mother and decided to get busy in the political arena where she could make a difference.

This vice presidential selection was probably more important in helping people decide than in any other election. 

John McCain is up there in years and his body has taken a terrible beating and can't hold up forever. His mind is still sharp and he'll function well. It's just that anything can happen at any time, and it's important to  look at what the back up plan is.

Obama, for several reasons, unfortunately will be the target of some nut case. (race, socialist leanings, possibly even religion)  If someone is succesful then again, what's the back up plan.

Keep in mind though that Thomas Jefferson cautioned that we should be wary of anyone who aspires to hold high office. Both times he was nominated for the presidency he turned it down, but when he was elected he served because it was his duty to the nation.

This promises to be an interesting election season, that's for sure. It'll be fun to watch, and we might all learn a lot. Too bad more won't get involved in the process of voting.

I could go on for hours, but that's the gist of the way I see it.

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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #96 on: August 31, 2008, 12:34:41 PM »
Cheers Bru  ;D

His speech really was 'something' wasn't it...

HBEgley I've got to say I disagree with you. To me, McCain's pick was amazingly misguided. His campaign/vp pick is basically an invitation to disaffected Hillary supporters, of whom there are relatively few left. For Instance, one of the most ardent Hillary groups is called puma (PartyUnityMyAss) and they've been on a campaign to sign people up to vote for McCain or not vote at all.

But even they have acknowledged that their numbers have shrunk. So much so that their website traffic which had approximately 14,358 thousand unique hits (different ips) during the month Hillary lost the race for nomination, fell To approximately 6613 unique hits in the month of August.

Note: It was a H Clinton's team/spokesman that pointed that out.

I mean when you subtract gender from the equation. Your left with a person who stands for everything Hillary does not. For instance, on important issues like abortion and gun control etc the two hold completely opposing views?  So instead of reaching out to her supporters I think McCain may have just patronized them. An argument this CNN Clip supports: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHPU-t_lOPw

But whats most importantly here is the polls. Strategically the vp pick is supposed to give you bid for presidency a boost. But McCains numbers are unchanged... In fact he's polling worse now than he did before he picked Palin...

And if you combine that with Palin's Beauty pageant past The corruption/abuse of power investigation she's currently facing as governor of Alaska, and the potential faked pregnancy scandal that seems to be gathering momentum in political circles/news/media. You'll see that McCain may not have thought about his choice as long and as hard as he should have.

The way I see it. picking Palin was to grab headlines and nothing more. I mean lets face it, after Obama's Speech (which was viewed by 38 million in the states) he needed to pull something out of the bag. But when you consider the fact that (by his own admission) McCain had only met her once before...

By the way, the clip above shows the second time McCain and Palin had met. And whats most startling to me is McCain looks extremely nervous? I've watched him many times before and his appearance with Palin was the first time I've ever seen him twiddling his thumbs and looking as uneasy as he did. He's usually way more upbeat.

Maybe I'm just reading too much into it?       

   
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #97 on: August 31, 2008, 12:35:38 PM »
And if McCain makes it to the White House (highly unlikely) would you feel happy with Sarah Palin as President if/when McCain dies?  This is a woman who has been in Alaskan government - a state which is so small it could get lost in most of the states of the USA -  for 2 years?   And you think this is a brilliant move on McCain's part?  
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #98 on: August 31, 2008, 12:49:16 PM »
lol

I didn't want to mention that but yeah. McCain is 72 and has tackled and beaten 4 bouts of cancer. He seems like a cool guy and I'm sure we all wish him well. But if something were to happen to him Palin would be president. And with little experience she'd be prone to the exact same special interest advisers that coax Bush into making decisions that favor them. The result being more war. And in particular a war/invasion/occupation of Iran...

Republicans have been heading towards this conflict for sometime now  ::)
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #99 on: August 31, 2008, 02:49:31 PM »
Ok so I was watching Palin's appearance in Pennsylvania (philly) and guess what. She got booed when she mentioned Hillary Clinton's name.

She is there solely to get Clinton's disaffected supporters but if she is to be greeted with boo's and loud grumbling for mention Clinton's name?  ::) 
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #100 on: August 31, 2008, 03:08:53 PM »
Bobby,

check out this link   http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12997.html
 
I think you will find it says it all.
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #101 on: September 01, 2008, 02:55:52 AM »
Just one minor point, Alaska is not, 'So small it could get lost in most of the states of the USA.'

Alaska is actually the largest state in the USA.

Possibly you're confusing it with Nebraska?

On the other hand, I'm not sure about the populatin of Alaska. It may well be that there are so few people that they could get lost in most states.
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #102 on: September 01, 2008, 02:59:27 AM »
Palin is pro-gun, anti-abortion and believes in creationism.

Do you really want someone like that only a heart attack away from the nuclear button?
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #103 on: September 01, 2008, 04:17:41 AM »
Jeff,
you are right about Alaska's size - I was talking about population and should have stated so.
You are also right about Palin's beliefs (and a few more you didnt mention)
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Re: So Barack Obama clinched it...
« Reply #104 on: September 01, 2008, 08:45:05 AM »
Jeff I'm aparently not understanding the logic of what you'r considering disqualifying factors.

The right of each citizen to keep and bear arm is guaranteed in the constitution. I believe in large part that is what keeps the country free. Support of the constitution is a qualifying factor.

There are worse things than pro life beliefs. We'll protect tigers, birds and mice, yet it's seems to be acceptable to kill a baby. Protection of human life can't be viewed as a disqualifier.

Freedom of religion is guaranteed in the constitution. I guess I don't understand why a person's religion is looked at for job qualifications. They tried that with Kennedy, Romny, and now Ms. Palin.

Why must one always assume that it all boils down to a nuclear option. We're not talking about a nut case like a Ted Kazynski or Charles Manson. I don't believe either candidate falls into that category.

What we have to look for is where they'll take the nation in many other areas.

As for my choice, we'll see.  I do want to see what each has to offer as a whole package. Perhaps a list of pros and cons could help factor it down.

Politics is always a touchy subject and sooo easy to play devils advocate. I really don't want to offend anyone. Picking just one point to make a decision is just so narrow.

We'll just have to see how it plays out in the end.

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