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Title: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Gyppo on August 06, 2013, 01:22:45 PM
I guess my subject header makes my views clear enough.

Here's the link, and a short quote.

http://news.yahoo.com/professor-says-kids-no-longer-learn-spelling-grammar-132007441.html

Spelling and grammar are “a bit unnecessary because they are skills that were very essential maybe 100 years ago but they are not right now,” Mitra said. “Firstly, my phone corrects my spelling so I don’t really need to think about it and, secondly, because I often skip grammar and write in a cryptic way.”

Gyppo


Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: 510bhan on August 06, 2013, 01:33:30 PM
Cue Victor Meldrew . . . I don't believe it!

I also hear a poet recently, highly acclaimed, but with all the guff about testing the boundaries of language and creating a new one, I was at a loss at what to say . . . we're still using 'English' so how can the work be appreciated if the audience is alienated/excluded by this wondrous new way of streamy consciousness-synergynistic-jazzriff-arse speak have any appeal? ::)
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Annmarie on August 06, 2013, 01:35:14 PM
Spoken like someone who only speaks one language. Try to skip grammar in that department, and you'll be laughed out of town.

Modified: I didn't mean you, Sio. :)
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: 510bhan on August 06, 2013, 01:38:56 PM
 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Neghe on August 06, 2013, 01:52:39 PM
Seems there are extreme weirdos on both sides of this issue these days.

Here's the thing, all languages are in constant flux. And have always been. I think rather than trying to protect English or, heralding the need to embrace change, some academics are merely looking to stir-up the pot for a little attention. Writing is and will always be for the purpose of passing information to people who are not present at the time of expression. So even though the rules for writing may change over time, we follow the rules as they are at the time we write them. If we want other people to be able to understand what we have written that is.  
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Pale Writer on August 06, 2013, 02:44:55 PM
I believe we need a base to stand on.
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: 2par on August 06, 2013, 02:57:11 PM


well that prof is a tech expert. In other words, a scientist. They use that other part of the brain. The problem is that these engineers and scientists, etc. don't know how to write those little brochures with instructions on how to connect the what'sis to the who'sis, so they have to hire copywriters to work hard at trying to figure out the tech jargon and transfer it to the instruction booklet so that the ordinary person can understand it.
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: DistantSun on August 06, 2013, 03:09:25 PM
Cue Victor Meldrew . . . I don't believe it!

I loved that show :)

I agree with Paley about having a base from which to build on. I certainly do not agree that all this techno text-speak will be adopted by everyone. I still find myself adding in capitals and commas in the right places when I send a text - sure, it takes longer, but it feels too foreign not to.
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Matt Walker on August 06, 2013, 03:26:32 PM
Don't worry, no one will take him seriously. You can even find 'professors' who think the Earth's only 6,000 years old if you look hard enough. Doesn't mean anyone takes any notice of them!
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: bri h on August 06, 2013, 03:29:12 PM
I'm the same as you in this respect Sunny. I can't send any kind of texts via phone or pc, without putting the marks in (except 'The Question Thread,' it seems?) ha ha. B
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: ChrisHarrison on August 06, 2013, 04:15:27 PM
My alarm bell flew off the wall when I noticed the story was lifted from the Dail Mail, so before everyone calls for tearing this guy's eyeballs out allow for the possibility that the rancourous Mail has quoted him out of context. 'We don't need to talk proper no more' stories are what the Daily Mail lives for, along with 'them immigrants taking all our jobs' and 'single mothers are causing the housing shortage crisis' stories.

However, I have heard other people calling for a relaxation of grammatical rules and my opinion is that in some cases it is perfectly valid, if old rules cause confusion. What concerns me is when people call for simplification simply because they can't be bothered to make the effort to learn and expect standards to be brought down to their level.
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: intercat on August 06, 2013, 05:20:45 PM
I studied Linguistics in grad school, and one of my favorite memories was during a group study session grumbling about a professor, somebody bursts out "He's just such a [bleeping] prescriptivist!" -- and everybody else is like UGH EXACTLY!

To me it seems like sort of an extension of writing longhand versus typing.  My grandmother (and most of her generation, as far as I could tell) had beautiful cursive writing, and was appalled at the state of mine, which I thought was absurd because I've never needed to be able to write legibly.  I suppose a lot kids today who have literally never used a form of written communication without spell check find it similarly laughable.

*shakes her curmudgeonly grammar cane*
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: 2par on August 06, 2013, 07:37:13 PM
I too studied Linguistics in college and found it to be one of the two hardest courses to get through. Studied more in that class than any other and still only got a B.  One thing I learned was that no matter what language you speak, even the ignorant dialects have their own grammatical rules.
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: fire-fly on August 06, 2013, 07:48:12 PM
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Firstly, my phone corrects my spelling so I don’t really need to think about it

So based on that mentality, my first thought was who will program these machines for the up coming generations who can no longer form a sentence read by anyone else?  :D
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: heidi52 on August 08, 2013, 04:35:49 PM
So based on that mentality, my first thought was who will program these machines for the up coming generations who can no longer form a sentence read by anyone else?  :D

Why, their phones will do that, of course. >:D.

There is a term for people like that ZOMBIES. They don't want to think, they don't want to learn, they just want to be on auto pilot and get through the day. 'Why should I learn when my phone can do it for me?' Someday, somewhere they will be without a phone (I hope).
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: WordBird on August 10, 2013, 11:58:20 AM
And I wonder why my job becomes harder and harder every quarter.....
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Jo Bannister on August 10, 2013, 12:29:59 PM
Bottom line: the man's illiterate so it doesn't matter what he thinks.  We can only hope he's better at distinguishing between H2O and H2SO4- or maybe he thinks he doesn't have to bother with those fiddly little symbols either, on account of they're probably in his phone somewhere!
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: 510bhan on August 10, 2013, 01:01:40 PM
Bottom line: the man's illiterate so it doesn't matter what he thinks.  We can only hope he's better at distinguishing between H2O and H2SO4- or maybe he thinks he doesn't have to bother with those fiddly little symbols either, on account of they're probably in his phone somewhere!

 ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bloody Idiot! Prof declares grammar and spelling unnecessary. Discuss ;-)
Post by: Spell Chick on August 10, 2013, 02:39:52 PM
Back when I was young, you were not permitted to split your infinitives but then Star Trek came along and boldly went where no man had gone before.

I was told in a class on Thursday that at least in business writing, you can now end a sentence in a preposition without being thought a cretin, but not by me.

Without some rules or framework, all language would be chaos and Tower of Babel would be real. We need to have a basis for communicating and even with all of us working on it, there is much room for misunderstanding.

I find it abhorrent that cursive is no longer being taught because we all type. I guess the pretty fonts that look like cursive will be next to disappear all in the name of learning nothing except that which is utile.