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Title: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 07:24:32 PM
I've checked my resources and several places on the web for an antonym for balcony. I'm trying to find the word that describes the area below the balcony. This is for an old western saloon where the second story is divided in half, so you can look down on the first floor...mainly the bar and faro table.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 07:30:55 PM
Gallery? Bit like a minstrel's gallery where they played behind railing on an elevated platform/landing affair? :-\

terrace, tier

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_saloon

http://buddiesinthesaddle.blogspot.co.uk/2010/11/old-west-saloons.html
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 07:38:59 PM
Those words aren't ringing right in my mind (although I don't know what the word is). Gallery makes me think of an art gallery. Terrace, tier, reminds me of the second story. Maybe there isn't a word, although hard to believe. antonym.com could find one though :(
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 07:41:56 PM
Maybe something in here among the downloads?

http://www.heroturko.me/design-software/802528-poser-wild-wild-west-buildings-props.html
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 07:48:07 PM
Poker Alice's place in Deadwood shows some sort of a platform/dias [scroll down to find the pic and the spiel]

http://buckarooleather.blogspot.co.uk/

I've looked through images -- all I can see that might come close are broad landings that people upstairs might look over to what's going on below. :-[

Maybe describe how the stairs and landing had become an auditorium for a hushed crowd of spectators . . .  ::)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 07:54:41 PM
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http://buckarooleather.blogspot.co.uk/

Yes that is the idea. If you were on the balcony, what would you call the floor area below?
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 07:56:49 PM
All I can think of are stage terms and an [orchestra] pit is brought to mind, but it's usually sunken.

Just the ground floor/main bar area? [which had become an arena of tension] :-[
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:02:34 PM
Yes, I could describe it using descriptive words but was thinking there must be a 'word' for it? The second floor is where the saloon owner and his office is located. He can walk over to the railing of a catwalk and look down on the bar and faro tables, to see what is going on. A concept similar to video cameras in casinos today. So as he looks down I was trying to find a word for what he sees. Looking from his 'balcony' makes sense...but what is below is the puzzle. Minor point but it is driving me crazy that I can't find a word for it. Just compulsive I guess.  ;)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 08:04:25 PM
Time for your character to coin his own word -- make up a suitable name. ;) ;) ;) ;)

It's not like you haven't looked for any existing 'correct' one. ;D
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:08:17 PM
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Time for your character to coin his own word -- make up a suitable name.

Great, thanks...why didn't I think of that  ;) Western language has all kinds of 'butchered phrases,' so I'm sure I can have the character come up with one. Now I've got to think.  :)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 08:10:04 PM
There you go . . . lots of possibilities to suit his personality and attitude, how much grief it causes him, how treacherous the folk down there can be . . . how much money he makes, the dramas that unfold :D
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Skip Slocum on August 07, 2012, 08:13:52 PM
I wish I could help. In the old casinos the overview was called, 'The Catwalk' but that doesn't sound like what you're looking for.  ???
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Wolfe on August 07, 2012, 08:14:29 PM
Actually . . . Sio's first answer is correct. The area below a balcony is called a landing. In most cases, the landing is near or at the base of stairs. But, not always. The area directly below a balcony, especially inside a building is called the landing.

It looks like this, correct?

http://www.electrotours.com/demotours/demo3/pic_4.htm

Yes, its specific name is the landing.

Now, quit drawing me from my editing!
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:15:15 PM
Unless I get a flash of brilliance, I think I'm going to use the word 'viper pit' to describe the activity below the balcony. That is where the bar is located, gambling, faro, etc. Not a church setting.  ;)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Wolfe on August 07, 2012, 08:16:51 PM
Unless I get a flash of brilliance, I think I'm going to use the word 'viper pit' to describe the activity below the balcony. That is where the bar is located, gambling, faro, etc. Not a church setting.  ;)

That's called a casino pit or pit.  ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casino_pit
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:20:56 PM
Technically I guess it could be called a 'landing.' However, I usually think of a landing as the area below the stairway. Just checked my dictionary: 'An intermediate platform in a staircase.' Landing doesn't fit in with the vernacular I'm using though.

Yes, catwalk is where yo are when looking down over the first floor. So whatever word that is opposite of that is what I'm looking to find.  :(
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Skip Slocum on August 07, 2012, 08:22:01 PM
Floor
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:23:10 PM
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That's called a casino pit or pit.

Thanks Wolfe, that word will fit...pit. Now it even makes the 'viper pit' even more appropriate  ;)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:25:30 PM
Yes Skip, I though of first floor, lower floor, but it just didn't have the sound I wanted. However, it is accurate and descriptive.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 07, 2012, 08:26:47 PM
In many grand houses the landing is not just the intermediate area for turning corners, but the space between the top floor's walls where the railed staircase forms a hall/corridor for the rooms off that floor. :-[

Think of terrific staircases that sweep down and when you look up there can be many folk draped over the banister rail watching what's happening below.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Skip Slocum on August 07, 2012, 08:31:15 PM
How about -- Spur-Galley  ;D
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:35:20 PM
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How about -- Spur-Galley

That is a good option also, but the saloon is actually in 1876 Deadwood and most of the patrons were miners coming in after their panning and sluicing. Usually walking and without a horses (most).
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Skip Slocum on August 07, 2012, 08:42:11 PM
'Spittoon-Alley'  ;D
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 08:46:02 PM
 ;D   and there are spittoons  ;)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Skip Slocum on August 07, 2012, 09:02:44 PM
How about 'Whiskey-Tenor' or 'Mash-House-Parlor'  ;D okay, I'll stop.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 09:11:03 PM
 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 07, 2012, 09:27:05 PM
Thanks for all the input and loosening the gears in my head. The 'sounding board' concept worked well !!!!!!
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 08, 2012, 06:43:35 AM
apron? [for the protruding upper ledge] :-\
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 08, 2012, 09:39:46 AM
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apron? [for the protruding upper ledge]

That would be OK for the upper part, but not sure it would work for the lower part ?
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: heidi52 on August 08, 2012, 10:15:55 AM
I'm not getting a clear picture here, is this inside the building or outside in front of it?
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: 510bhan on August 08, 2012, 10:19:37 AM
inside ;)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 08, 2012, 10:21:53 AM
Inside an 1876 western saloon. It is 2 stories and the upper level has rooms along one side and a walk way in the middle. There is an open area on the other side of the 2nd story where a person can look down to the bar and faro table. When you are on the second floor and looking down through the open area, on the first floor is what I was trying to get a word to describe. I've followed Sio's suggestion and calling it 'whatever.' The 'whatever' is either the viper pit or snake pit. Wolfe posted a link to a picture that roughly shows the situation.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Lin on August 08, 2012, 10:59:00 AM
Today it's called a mezzanine

The mezzanine floor often projects itself from the walls and does not completely close the view of the ceiling from the floor immediately below. In short, a mezzanine floor and the floor below it share the same ceiling. Mezzanine floors are often located between the ground floor and the first floor but it is not unusual to have mezzanine floors in the upper floors of a building.

Lin x
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 08, 2012, 02:12:07 PM
Yes, Mezzanine is technically accurate and one that did not come to my mind. I just checked my western dictionaries and it isn't there...not meaning it couldn't have been used though. However I don't think it was a colloquially used word of the time ? Thanks for the input, Lin.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Lin on August 08, 2012, 02:25:35 PM
Ah let's talk flexilbity here  ;D  How about an Italian cowboy whose family came to the US to seek their fortune.  The Italian cowboy says. 'He shoota me from the mezzanina.'

Okay I tried to be funny.  Not my day today.

Lin x
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 08, 2012, 03:05:01 PM
Well Lin, I do have some humor in the book but no Italian cowboys.  ;)  That got me to thinking. There weren't a lot of Italians in the old American west, at least no where near the numbers of English, Cornish, Scots, Irish, French, Chinese etc. Prospecting, gold camps, mining, didn't appeal to them for some reason. I know the Cornish had a great history of working in mines, and therefore were sought after.

Now we have spaghetti westerns...times do change  :)
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: Lin on August 09, 2012, 02:15:04 AM
Spanish cowboy? - maybe they use that word too anyway, but as you say it's probably not a cowboy word.  Balcony is probably a good one - or 'up there' he said pointing to the open stairway.

Lin x
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: ma100 on August 09, 2012, 03:28:10 AM
Inside an 1876 western saloon. It is 2 stories and the upper level has rooms along one side and a walk way in the middle. There is an open area on the other side of the 2nd story where a person can look down to the bar and faro table. When you are on the second floor and looking down through the open area, on the first floor is what I was trying to get a word to describe. I've followed Sio's suggestion and calling it 'whatever.' The 'whatever' is either the viper pit or snake pit. Wolfe posted a link to a picture that roughly shows the situation.

These are just thoughts so use or abuse.  ;D Vipers, would a rattler be more common? :-\ Then again maybe down in the spit and sawdust. :-\ Upstairs, portico, balustrade, catwalk.  :-\

Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: wanderer on August 09, 2012, 05:28:53 AM
Thanks for the suggestions, ma. The saloon is a rough and tumble place, so what he sees below needs to reflect that. I'm still looking at viper or snake pit. It leaves open many options in dialogue and discussion, plus it does have a western 'ring' to it. I might just post a scene to see what people think, and it might be easier to comment.
Title: Re: Antonym for balcony
Post by: ma100 on August 09, 2012, 05:40:56 AM
It probably would be Bill.