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Title: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: CarrieSheppard on August 28, 2006, 01:17:26 PM
I notice that Noel has had a look but not bought - I've just received a mailing trying to sell it to me.

Anyone tried it?  Any comments?

Cheers
Carrie
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: janstedehouder on August 29, 2006, 04:22:57 AM
I tried it, but I did not like it. I found the whole interface cumbersome and prefer Writer's Cafe. And Writer's Cafe is available for Windows, Mac and Linux, three platforms I use interchangeably, so in this way I can store my projects on an external USB drive and lug it from PC to PC.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Narnian Prince on August 31, 2006, 01:22:47 AM
   Actually Carrie, I've been using it for a couple of years now.  I enjoy it as it helps me to keep things organized (my muse often tosses my sheets of paper to the wind).  I also like the way it puts things in perspective when I forget to.  It has different categories for the characters and the "worlds" that they are part of or belong to them.  I sometimes get lost when I am free writing and this helps me to find myself again.  I've also got Writer's Cafe and enjoy that a lot also.  I find a lot of similarities between the two programs so they both work fine for me.  Julia (my wife) also picked up StoryCraft Pro for me last Christmas and that's another one I enjoy baffling my muse with.  I think it's a matter of personal taste though as there are so many programs out there.  :)

   Good luck with whatever you choose (if any), Carrie.  :)

   Chris
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: PaulW on September 11, 2006, 10:08:44 AM
I do use it for some stories, basically as a tool to make me think about what I'm doing and a store for descriptive pieces. When I actually got down to using the chapters for creating the plot for the novel it broke down a little for me. I prefer to let the characters drive the story rather than preset chapter subjects and it got in the way. (Although it was useful as a study tool for literature construction).

Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: memnoch on September 14, 2006, 07:15:51 AM
I've never used software of any type before but am in desperate need of help. do you guys know of any cheap or even free programs worth having. I start life as a student on Sat so can't aford to be splashing out money at this stage.

Cheers

Memnoch
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: pete_dog on September 14, 2006, 12:11:40 PM
Re: Newnovelist, I bought it a while ago and (very) occasionally use it - that's not necessarily an indictment on the software itself, more my somewhat "flighty" nature when it comes to these things - my PC is crammed full of underused software!

It is a useful piece of software for organising your thoughts with regard to characters, settings, etc - especially if you're working on a complex saga with a cast of thousands based in a myriad of places. There is a function to help set up scenes, plotlines, etc. but like PaulW I found this not as useful. For story structure and plot, I personally find the best method to be Word/Excel, with a well-thumbed copy of Robert McKee's Story to hand - but that's just me.

Memnoch - these software programmes can be useful, but (correct me if I'm wrong guys) they only really help organise thoughts - in terms of getting your own original story down, it's going to be down to you and you alone - no software will write it for you (thank god - otherwise we'd all be churning out the same tat which passes for Hollywood plots these days!). Probably the best thing is if you identify exactly what you need the software for - it may be that some of the stuff which you already have (spreadsheets, etc) will be more than good enough.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Louise Secker on September 17, 2006, 03:58:56 PM
I have bought this software and after attemtping to use it - i gave up after 5 mins.

Maybe i should give it another go...
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: PaulW on September 17, 2006, 04:20:41 PM
I pretty much did that as well the first time. I went back to it though and it DID help me plot out a novel and organise my research and back stories. As I started writing the novel I found that the chapter structure it imposed didn't suit me and was making it difficult to progress my novel as I would like. So I have scrapped that bit. The rest I use though. I don't like writing chapters too much ahead of where I am, it makes them feel too solid (ok, that's a bit metaphysical I know) so instead I just write the piece into the relevant chapter notes - then when I reach the target chapter, if it's still relevant, a bit of cut and paste works well.

Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: janstedehouder on September 23, 2006, 08:10:24 AM
I always like to start with MindManager. It's not novel writing software, but it's a great tool to brainstorm, to organize and to store snippets and pieces of information.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Ann on November 13, 2006, 07:45:37 AM
I have New Novelist.  I have found it very useful, especially for developing characters.  There's one drawback, which I have written to them about.  When you've finished setting up your story, you can generate a report.  I did this so I could ponder over what I'd done so far. To my dismay, I found that when it generates the report, it wipes the work out of the program, which meant that I couldn't go back and continue to develop the structure, unless I keyed everything in again from scratch! 
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Gltagaman on November 13, 2006, 04:26:29 PM
Ann
I too have New Novelist and have briefly skirmished with it. It requires more time than I have at present but bits of my novel are currently on it pending the finding of a truckload of time to work on the novel in a program other than WORD.

 It was disturbing to hear of your esperience with the report, somewhat in keeping with my novel's hero who loses his information of the villain's plans when his computer is subject to a trojan Horse virus.

Please say what the makers come up with as no doubt this problem may have affected many users.

Thanks

Geoff
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Ann on November 13, 2006, 05:46:09 PM
Ann
I too have New Novelist and have briefly skirmished with it. It requires more time than I have at present but bits of my novel are currently on it pending the finding of a truckload of time to work on the novel in a program other than WORD.

 It was disturbing to hear of your esperience with the report, somewhat in keeping with my novel's hero who loses his information of the villain's plans when his computer is subject to a trojan Horse virus.

Please say what the makers come up with as no doubt this problem may have affected many users.

Thanks

Geoff



I sympathise with your hero.  I had trouble with Trojans myself on my previous computer.  Pesky varmints they are! 

Will certainly report any feedback from New Novelist. I could have got mixed up of course. 


Ann

Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: memnoch on November 14, 2006, 05:12:14 AM
heya i got Newnovelist the other day as my mum had heard something about it. It seems to work ok. Don't like that if you move from one screen to another without saving it deletes whats been put there but i do like the character and place function.
It makes you think about the smaller characters in your piece and build on them which is both fun and rewarding
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Ann on November 17, 2006, 08:13:27 AM
Ann
I too have New Novelist and have briefly skirmished with it. It requires more time than I have at present but bits of my novel are currently on it pending the finding of a truckload of time to work on the novel in a program other than WORD.

 It was disturbing to hear of your esperience with the report, somewhat in keeping with my novel's hero who loses his information of the villain's plans when his computer is subject to a trojan Horse virus.

Please say what the makers come up with as no doubt this problem may have affected many users.

Thanks

Geoff

I've had feedback from New Novelist yesterday. 

They sent me a link to download an upgrade.  My version was NN 1.1.  The new one is 2.0.  As I subscribe to their occasional newsletter, I was surprised they hadn't informed me there was a new version. 

I couldn't download using Mozilla Firefox, which is my preferred browser (IE won't let me have my web site as my home page unless I fiddle with the registry and I have too much of a nervous disposition for registry fiddling)!  It installed fine with IE though. 

NN 2.0 has a new interface, which I like much better and some new features, such as an audio feedback which I will definitely try out as I find reading my writing out loud invaluable. 

The problem I had with the report generator deleting the work after generating the report still exists, though there is a message in this version to say that after making the report, this will happen.  I've written back and asked if they will consider tweaking this function in any new upgrades, as I like to work on things in the 'real world' as well as on the computer or I get a square head! 

There are a good number of other new aspects to NN 2.0 and I will definitely be using it again.





Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Gltagaman on November 17, 2006, 05:51:21 PM
Ann

I'm slowly transferrig my work to a new computer. When the latter is connected to my network I will fire up new novelist and get the upgrade.

I bought a reading program recently from Serif for £9.95. It's called Word Read. I have tried it out and it's easier than taking my work to a writing group but doesn't have the persoanl touch. Serif are curently having a sale so it may be available more cheaply now.

 I had previously downloaded the demo of an American program which could be customised for country and accent but cost something like £60.

Many thanks and good luck with new Novelist.

Geoff
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: JMJ on November 18, 2006, 12:20:46 AM
I bought the New Novelist software about 18 months ago.  i thought I was quite computer literate but this seemed to baffle me. The software was ok at storing specific details about characters and places but then I had difficulty in transferring them to scenes and the the story etc.  My biggest hurdle was choosing the genre and category and I must have changed this everytime I logged on.  I must admit that I had major problems with my computer at the time and I moved across the world, leaving all my discs etc. in storage in the UK. Now I have lost everything I had on Newnovelist and have had to start agaiin.  I dont' think I will be buying another copy to replace it as it seemed more trouble than it was worth
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Ann on November 19, 2006, 07:09:42 PM
Ann

I'm slowly transferrig my work to a new computer. When the latter is connected to my network I will fire up new novelist and get the upgrade.

I bought a reading program recently from Serif for £9.95. It's called Word Read. I have tried it out and it's easier than taking my work to a writing group but doesn't have the persoanl touch. Serif are curently having a sale so it may be available more cheaply now.

 I had previously downloaded the demo of an American program which could be customised for country and accent but cost something like £60.

Many thanks and good luck with new Novelist.

Geoff


I've made a note of Word Read to check it out.  It reminded me that I have a program that came free I've never tried out.  It's called yWriter and is described a Novel Builder.  It's from Spacejock Software.  The designer is a sci-fi writer who has built it and other free programs for his own use.  http://www.spacejock.com

He tells you why he's qualified to write programs and his site has some articles on writing too.  I've just had a quick 'go' at yWriter and so far I like it.  As it's completely free, it can't do any harm trying it out.  When I've had a longer trial, I'll do a proper review.



Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: glued on November 20, 2006, 01:32:29 AM
Isnt Ywriter the program which deletes the what you wrote once you have the report. I think someone mentioned that.

Or am I mixing up software now.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Ann on November 20, 2006, 06:01:18 AM
Isnt Ywriter the program which deletes the what you wrote once you have the report. I think someone mentioned that.

Or am I mixing up software now.

New Novelist does that, but I wrote to them about this and they came back with an updated version of the program for me: New Novelist 2.0.  It has various new features but still deletes all your text once the report is generated, though it warns you of this first.  I've asked them if they'll consider tweaking this in any future upgrade.
I have just started using yWriter so don't know if it will do the same.  When I've got to grips with it I'll do a review.  I do like that when you are setting up to write a scene, one of the questions you are asked is the goal of the scene.  This really makes you sharpen your focus.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Andrew Watt on December 02, 2006, 10:18:02 AM
I've never used software of any type before but am in desperate need of help. do you guys know of any cheap or even free programs worth having. I start life as a student on Sat so can't aford to be splashing out money at this stage.

Memnoch,

What did you want software to do for you or help you to do?

If you're just looking for a free word processor you could do a lot worse than OpenOffice.org, http://www.openoffice.org/. The word processor component has a very high level of file compatibility with Microsoft Word (at least up to Word 2003, I can't comment either way about Word 2007 compatibility). And it's free.

Andrew
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: noelgama on January 08, 2007, 10:34:47 PM
Hi,

I did buy NewNovelist but for a different reason: to learn what writing fiction is all about!:) I did not know about WritePro at that time. Write Pro is about 4 times the price but with far superior tutorials built in.

The advantage of a software over a word processor is that when you are working on a word file, you have an extremely long document to navigate in while in the software items are well organized in different 'slots' yet retrievable at the touch of a key.

What I don't like about NN is that it is not mac compatible:(

For non fiction, (books, articles, etc) I use CopyWrite which I have set so as to incorporate Nick's '28 days' and I just love it!

Noel
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: paramour on January 19, 2007, 01:02:22 PM
Thanks for the review of New Novelist. It sounds like a pain in the butt. ;)

I use MS WORD and WriteItNow. i have used yWriter, but find it a little cumbersome when comparing it to WriteItNow. I really like the functions in WriteItNow. :)
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: fordy on January 20, 2007, 12:09:12 AM
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I use MS WORD and WriteItNow. i have used yWriter, but find it a little cumbersome when comparing it to WriteItNow. I really like the functions in WriteItNow. :)

Snap!  Yes, I like WriteItNow as well, it has a lot of great features and I found it easier to use than yWriter.  The one area I have concerns about is its 'chapter' focus.  Personally, I have learned to write in 'scenes' rather than chapters and I have to fudge that in WriteItNow by using "Events".  The problem being that you can't assign an 'Event" to a "Chapter" which is what you would want to do with scenes.

I wrote to James (the program's author) about this and the good news is that he is already working on a new version which includes this functionality and a lot of other 'goodies'.  He said it should be about six months, but that was a month ago.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: paramour on January 23, 2007, 02:51:10 PM
That's great news! Thanks for the info on that, fordy! I don't work so much in scenes, but use the function occasionally. I really do love this software, tho. Let us know if you hear anything else!
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: fordy on January 31, 2007, 02:31:01 AM
I have just visited the NewNovelist website.  Now, if you happen to use this software and find it useful, then that's good and I am not having 'a go' at you.  But, I am suspicious.

I am in the software business (making it) and I also download lots of software titles every year to try out and to review.  I didn't download NewNovelist.  Why?


When I put those facts together with the occasional post I have read about (a) how hard NewNovelist is to learn and (b) how it has lost some writers lots of work, I have to suggest that steering clear might be the best option.

But please, if someone actually uses NewNovelist, has completed a large size project in it, and loves it then I will be pleased to bow to their superior knowledge.  Meanwhile, my antenna will keep twitching whenever I hear the name.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: paramour on January 31, 2007, 01:45:52 PM
I'm with you on this one, Fordy. I saw those same things you are pointing out and it turned me off. There are a ton of "writer's software" out there and some are very expensive - upwards into the 100's of dollars! I have been having great fun with WIN and it's free free free! (i like free!) I'd be interested to hear more about any of the other writing software out there - especially the expensive ones. Anyone?
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Andre on February 11, 2007, 08:48:44 AM
I used newnovelist and noticed that it is a rip off from Storycraft. I bought Storycraft some years before so I knew that program very well. I asked them about this and they contacted Newnovelist. It WAS via illegal way that they used the Storycraft info, but without knowing this. Compex story... Anyway, for my writing I use Atlantis (on PC) in combination with Power Structure to keep all my material together. Works well for me.

André, Sweden
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: fordy on February 11, 2007, 01:31:01 PM
I used newnovelist and noticed that it is a rip off from Storycraft. I bought Storycraft some years before so I knew that program very well. I asked them about this and they contacted Newnovelist. It WAS via illegal way that they used the Storycraft info, but without knowing this. Compex story... Anyway, for my writing I use Atlantis (on PC) in combination with Power Structure to keep all my material together. Works well for me.

André, Sweden

Thanks André, rather explains why New Novelist doesn't provide any screen shots on their site - it would be rather a giveaway to the Storycraft people.  I am glad my scam antenna is still in good condition, but I wish it didn't have cause to twitch so often; especially in the writing community.  'There be dragons' - writers beware.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: madgewildfire on May 24, 2007, 12:14:51 PM
 :) I have tried New Novelist and don't like it very much; I prefer Writers' Cafe. Thinking about writers' software that is very involved. Has anyone tried DramaticaPro? It is good in many ways, i.e. keeping details re characters, but in some ways it become too esoteric for me and I got to think that more than half a novel could be written in the time spent going through this software.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Writewayze on July 06, 2007, 08:16:02 PM
Hi folks,

I have 'New Novelist', but it 'forces' me to write chronologically. I don't like that approach for novels, so the program is largely redundant for me. Instead, I bought a piece of 10mm thick MDF, 1.22m x 0.61m (Approx. 4 feet x 2 feet) and propped it against the wall. I use post-it notes (10cm x 5cm), on which to set out my ideas and I put them onto the MDF. The notes can be moved around at will, like cut and paste and once I have a reasonable story-line, I start up the PC and get going in Word. I don't start at Chapter One. I type the end first, so I know where I am going.

I liked Power Structure, but by the time I had made copious notes in their 'windows', I realised I could have had a first draft more or less finished from my MDF story-board!

As for New Novelist 'plagiarising' Storycraft I can't argue, but there are only so many ways of organising your ideas and setting about writing a novel. It's also clear that almost every 'Writing How-to' book, has elements of 'plagiarism', i.e.  imparting the same advice in different ways. Certainly the authors use the same old books as examples.

To quote a few that crop up with sickening regularity:

'Wizard of Oz', 'Madame Bovary', 'Lolita',  'A Christmas Carol' and  'Moby Dick'. I'm not sayiong these are bad books to use, but there are many others just as useful, for teaching purposes.

Also, should you be a fan of James N Frey, you will use the Mythological Journey, and come up with storylines that differ only in their premise, if they differ at all. 

J.K Rowling writes formulaic fiction, yet few complain about her work.

The fact remains, there are only so many plots and a glaring example of transposing a plot was the Connery film, 'Outlander'. It was just 'High Noon' in outer-space.


John  8)
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: madgewildfire on July 07, 2007, 02:56:54 AM

 :)Hi John.
Since I posted my two pennorth in May, I have installed MS Office 2007 and discovered Office One Note. This is an ideal programme for plotting storylines etc as one can devise one's own way of using it and one can move things about; as you do on your MDF board.
 And, John, I agree with your comments on 'Outlander' and 'High Noon'. In fact I agreed with all that you said regarding writers' software and 'how to write' books
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Writewayze on July 07, 2007, 03:24:43 AM
Hi Madge,

Thanks for the reply.

I am still using Office 2003. I find it does all I need and I think that One-Note is included. I must check! I neglected to mention that when I start writing from my 'story-board', I first produce an outline that I stay with until it needs alteration. So, I don't stay rigidly with the outline, if good plot develoments suggest themselves.

Once I have the ending done and I know what is to happen in each chapter, I am free to start writing anywhere I wish, on sections that interest me on any given day. As to characters, I 'interview' them as I used to interview people in my job, except that I turn a 'statement' into a first person 'narrative'. It's surprising what this reveals about characters and their goals. Plus, chunks of text can always be cut and pasted, for inclusion in the book as necessary.

I will try to find one of my interviews and post it if there's enough interest.

Thanks again Madge. Happy Writing and
Stay Lucky
John  ;)
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: memnoch on July 08, 2007, 09:00:48 AM
Onenote is amazing. I just got a copy of 2007 for a housewarming present and it is so easy to use. It is really flexible and does what you want it to do not what it says you should do.
I had Newnovelist but this is way better. Much easier to use and far less constricting.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: madgewildfire on July 08, 2007, 10:13:56 AM
 :) Agree entirely, Memnoch. I love the flexibility too. You can plan things in your own way. I like to use photos to give me a clearer image of characters and  and places. I set all of that up in One Note, along with the characters details and back story. I plot my chapters out in there and make all my research notes too. Why spend money on writers' software when this programme does everything so much better.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: madgewildfire on July 08, 2007, 12:49:25 PM
Hi Madge,

Thanks for the reply.

I am still using Office 2003. I find it does all I need and I think that One-Note is included. I must check! I neglected to mention that when I start writing from my 'story-board', I first produce an outline that I stay with until it needs alteration. So, I don't stay rigidly with the outline, if good plot develoments suggest themselves.

Once I have the ending done and I know what is to happen in each chapter, I am free to start writing anywhere I wish, on sections that interest me on any given day. As to characters, I 'interview' them as I used to interview people in my job, except that I turn a 'statement' into a first person 'narrative'. It's surprising what this reveals about characters and their goals. Plus, chunks of text can always be cut and pasted, for inclusion in the book as necessary.

I will try to find one of my interviews and post it if there's enough interest.

Thanks again Madge. Happy Writing and
Stay Lucky
John  ;)

  What is your genre, John? Mine is historical fiction. I find the Pennine countryside very inspiring and am glad to live in 'them thar hills'
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: Writewayze on July 25, 2007, 05:03:01 AM
Hi Madge,

Sorry about the delayed reply. I have been busy keeping water at bay! (Just a sewer that keeps backing up to the inspection covers in my garden. Not seriously threatening my home, but it happens too often!)

I write thrillers/mysteries/and the occasional short horror/occult story.
I have been published in short-story mags and woodworking  journals, because I also make furniture and write up the projects when I can find a market.

So, not particularly busy as you can tell!  Nothing in hardcover yet, although I am tempted to do something risque, along the line of Jackie Collins. But I suspect it isn't so easy as it seems!  :D

Stay Lucky
John

Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: AndrevanHaren on May 22, 2019, 12:02:25 PM
For anyone interested, I have worked the last year on a new version of Storycraft. It's for Mac only at the moment, but I am planning a Windows version as well in the not too far future. You can find more information here:

https://storycraft-for-writers.com

The programs still in beta, but it's very close to being released.
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: nosuchmember on May 22, 2019, 12:34:39 PM
 I visited your sites and found them very interesting.

It would also be nice if you take a moment to visit the Welcome Board to introduce yourself as a new member;
http://www.mywriterscircle.com/index.php?board=1.0
Title: Re: Newnovelist software - anyone used?
Post by: AndrevanHaren on May 22, 2019, 12:41:40 PM
Hi,
I am already member since 2007 and was not able to log in because of an email change, so I re-registered. However, I haven't visit the board very often either, but was notified by a friend about my old posts and thought it would be nice to mention the new Storycraft version.