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Title: It's all crap
Post by: mlambere on December 30, 2011, 06:37:58 PM
Nothing i have  read this year has inspired me out with the odd piece by sparks and victor otherwise it's been bland 2012 means we need to be better original and mos of all
Emtertaing . Ok his may sound harsh but we can all do better
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 30, 2011, 07:09:30 PM
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Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 30, 2011, 08:04:29 PM
I talk crap when I've had too much also.  ;D

Mark I know you wrote this on the spur of the moment but I don't get it.
Usually there is something on the front page worth reading and to say that only I or victor
provide the occasional interest and fodder for inspiration is pretty dismissive of
other good poets, and pretty cool praise for Victor or I  ;D ;D ;D ;D
 Hey, I'm not getting on your case, just have to point this out.

You're a good poet so why would you need to read a poem on RMP to get inspired?

Anyway Happy New Year matey
and lets get motivated for 20012. :)

Sparks



 
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: 510bhan on December 30, 2011, 08:53:23 PM

Anyway Happy New Year matey
and lets get motivated for 20012. :)

Sparks
 

You sure you want to plan that far ahead? :D
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 30, 2011, 08:58:55 PM
Haha yea and I only had a sip of the good stuff tonight.
Is anyone sober here? :D

I am not sure i can last til 2012 ???
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: 510bhan on December 30, 2011, 09:03:53 PM
You can do it Sparkatus! :D
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Gyppo on December 30, 2011, 09:23:14 PM
Is anyone sober here? :D

Yes.  Stone Cold.  But it doesn't stop me making a total prick of myself on occasion ;-)

Gyppo
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 30, 2011, 10:56:54 PM
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Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Gyppo on December 31, 2011, 08:28:50 AM
Heidi, why would you let one person's opinion influence you to that extent?

Gyppo
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: heidi52 on December 31, 2011, 08:57:07 AM
I don't care about his opinion. It's the whole toxic atmosphere here, and this post just sums it all up.
Many members no longer post here because of it, and I'm going to join their ranks.

Too many good topics and nice people elsewhere to put up with this... hmmm, what's the word I'm looking for?   ;)
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Vienna on December 31, 2011, 09:22:29 AM
heidi I joined those ranks a while ago too.Am in touch with a couple of people via email. Will post in a couple of threads but I very much doubt that I will post work here again. My eyes have been opened.


Happy New Year to all.

cheers

Richard
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 10:36:42 AM
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Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: mlambere on December 31, 2011, 10:40:46 AM
wow now there is a reaction, not quite  expected but it least its honest as I was although too stongly worded   

I will delete  my account and let the world move on  and thanks those that have helped support my learning
  
The funniest thing though was the email received today which even had me perplexed as clearly there is one one of me and I am a bloke, I wont name the sender but it did make me smile...enjoy and thanks again.

"I always got the impression that you were a cretin, but your latest post confirmed it.

You and your boyfriend have ruined the board, chasing away any newbies that had the temerity to post and in general making life miserable for everyone.

Enjoy your circle jerk, the 2 of you deserve each other.

2 words for you - I'm sure you know what they are."

my gues was happy christmas
      
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: mlambere on December 31, 2011, 10:41:58 AM
Mods can you  delete me I havem arked the account for deletion now 
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 10:42:42 AM
Actually I think the quality of the work at this forum has improved immeasurably over
the last year.  This is self evident to me.  Just go trawl the archives if you really
want to see vast amounts of second-rate crap.  I think there are a core of folks
here who are truly interested in improving their writing skills and that is always a
healthy sign for a site like this.  I would urge anyone to select anything from the past
pages of this forum to compare to the recent poetry.  While of course there is some
good poetry to be found (I have reviewed and reprised the best of it), most of it
is unspeakably awful. Standards has risen over the last twelve months among all
the regular poster to this list. This is a fact that is undeniable and demonstrable.

I would suggest that all those who carp about the "crap" personally make an effort
not to add to the crap, and stop taking cheap shots at others that strive to
improve their skills and understanding of poetry craft.  If some folks are not
happy with honest critique or feel under-appreciated, or are perhaps envious
of those that actually do write well, then they always have the option of going
to play somewhere else, some place more conducive to the level of writing they feel
more comfortable with.

A forum like this should be educative but also fun. If they are not having any fun
it is probably due to their own attitude.

  

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 11:34:55 AM
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Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 11:41:46 AM
Ditto that thought about the newbies drab
and yes Mark, don't go!
I have no idea who wrote you a nasty e-mail
but just shrug it off.

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: indar on December 31, 2011, 11:48:16 AM
I have gotten angry and frustrated with my own inability to write something that makes the earth move. I love poetry so much when I read it i want to be able to make a breathtaking piece of writing like that as well. I am a visual artist who is jealous of musicians, dancers and writers. I wish I could do it all. I am doing the best I can as I am certain a lot of us on this site are doing.

Being included in a group that has been dismissed as crap-writers might irk me a little but I've lived a long long time and been called worse. I am going to assume that Mlam is just angry---period-- and not take offense. I am certain my writing is improving. There are better writers than i on this site with much to offer me and who love poetry.  My overall experience on MWC has been a learning one. Mlam I remember the first time I posted a piece on my return to this site after a hiatus you said you wanted it to read like a poem by Bukowski. You'd never like anything I write and that's OK. (I like Bukowski BTW) As Drab said you can't please everyone with what you write. I have enjoyed the pieces you've written and like the energy of many contributors with a variety of styles and viewpoints. I hope you stay.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Sam Cooper on December 31, 2011, 12:38:06 PM
Honestly I couldn't believe what I was reading. To declare a writer to be 'crap' their work 'crap' - what gives a person that right?

For me, this whole thread should be locked and buried as it serves no good purpose at all.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 12:43:13 PM
I agree.
One persons "crap" is another persons masterpiece.
Please mods. Locks this crap up.

I suspect all this is just post Christmas Blues.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Don on December 31, 2011, 03:54:29 PM
After discussion, the mods have unlocked this thread primarily because it serves a useful, if cautionary, purpose. Mark made couple of valid points, intentionally or otherwise.

Yes, it has been an uninspiring year. I suppose it all starts in politics. Most things do. It's been a crap year for politics all over the globe. He's also correct that we could all do better but hell, we knew that going in.

But Mark was talking about the poetry here in general and not a specific piece or poet. I doubt anyone really believes he comes here for inspiration. Learning, perhaps. As more than one person has pointed out, we learn from everyone, including the newbies.

This should be read as a clarion call for more people to start posting here, not fewer. We all know that diversity is good and inbreeding is bad. Look at what happened to the Pharoahs. It would be a pity if the same fate befell poets.

One person's opinion is simply that--an opinion. There is no need to, and nothing to be gained by, taking it personally. Every opinion, including this one, is a mixture of wheat and chaff. As Paul Simon once said, hear what you want to hear and disregard the rest.

Don-

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Sam Cooper on December 31, 2011, 05:05:03 PM
Wow Wow WOW

I can't believe I read that. It was the ruled upon by the mods that this thread is just an opinion and so therefore can be left as is.


Wow

It's decisions such as this that question the validity of me being a member, when another member can state that not 'their' work as being crap, but 'others' work. Politics is a very unequal comparison in the stated fashion.

again

Wow - something to think about indeed.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: mlambere on December 31, 2011, 05:21:05 PM
Don your opinion is appreciated but please just lock and delete me , I really do not want to discuss further other than improve further. Thanks sparks, drab , Indar, sio but nothing more to add other than I have learnt a lot from u all do thank
Ps... It was Heidi
Happy new year
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: ma100 on December 31, 2011, 05:28:22 PM
Sam,

Mark never singled anyone out as a crap poet, in fact you have taken that out of the heading and his post in my honest opinion was not derogatory in any way, unlike the email sent to him.  ;)

He stated he didn't get inspiration from the boards, well hell, neither do I on the prose. In fact the only inspiration I got from the actual boards for story lines was from Gyp's fighting article. Yes, it inspired me to do a fight scene I'd been scared to death of.  :o Inspiration comes from so many different things. It certainly doesn't mean that I think all the writers are crap though.

He probably could have said it in a better way, but come on, we are all here to learn not bicker on what inspires and doesn't inspire.

This wasn't posted on anyones work, nor was it posted to hurt anyone. He wanted others including himself to do better. The only rule broken here was the email sent to him and bullying is not tolerated.

Opinions don't matter a jot unless you take them personally, I have learnt from the harshest and they still give me a good kick up the arse off screen when I cock up with my writing. :'(

Everyone needs that thick skin mate. ;)

Newbies as well as oldies should know that if they feel they are unfairly treated they should report to the mods. I sometimes can be harsh and the mood I've been lately haven't thought out a comment.

The poetry boards are not exclusive, so come om you guys that know, give a hand to those that need to know. ::) :-* Just don't ask me because what I know about poetry you can write on a pin head.

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 05:33:43 PM
I assume that means that you are staying m. I hope so.
And I agree that this should be deleted. I've posted some crap myself in the past.
P.S. You can delete your 'It's all crap' posts.  ;) If you delete yours I'll do the same, I'm sure Sparks & 5 will also.
Happy New Year m.

My posts have been deleted.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: 510bhan on December 31, 2011, 05:54:46 PM
Hello everyone, I've re-read the whole thread and there seems to be confusion as to what accusations/allegations have been made.

I feel the intention of the post was to make us buck up our ideas and not be complacent. Inspired or not by what is posted here, I always find it interesting to see how people are developing their ideas and it is encouraging to see the progress different people make.

Possibly because poems are presented as completed pieces, people can become precious about their 'work' receiving negative criticism -- the whole darned thing needs rewritten, unlike a novel or even a short story which can come to life with some tweaks to address any glaring problem that reviewers point out. But, a poem doesn't require the same time investment and rewriting it or abandoning it shouldn't be devastating -- it's just that one hasn't worked [with this audience, or rather, with those who have taken the time to read and offer comment]. So, write another one, a better one, a different one. ;) ;) ;)

As publishing markets go -- poetry is a specialist niche and within each small niche there are published poems which surprise many, but that's just the nature of the thing often judged subjectively, more so than prose.

Each to his own, celebrate difference and diversity and appreciate the efforts others make, even if it's not to your own personal taste.

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 07:15:08 PM
 :D Yes drab I often wanted to delete my own crap posts, but even our bad stuff
helps us in the end.

I was surprised to see this thread unlocked when I returned to the PC.
Sure, it was okay for mark to say the forum was not up to some theoretical standard
but it was just too a sweeping generalization.  Like saying you are all crap.
I know he did not mean it that way, so I did not take offence and suggest
know one does. As I posted earlier, I consider this past year to have been
highly productive for the forum. There are lots of super poets and super poems
to be inspired from. Best year since this board was inaugurated in my opinion.

Good work from newbies and the more experienced.  This does not mean that
all poems should be considered equal. Poetry is a subjective art and we all see
from different perspectives, but it would be foolish to suppose that we need to
take an egalitarian approach to every work. Fact is skill and inspiration differ
from good to bad.  That is why we review, not to pass on just our opinion, but
to highlight the strong and weak parts of a work.

Yes, please do stick around mark and I don't mind the 'crap' remark, just don't
agree with it :D

Friendly edit >:D


Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: ma100 on December 31, 2011, 07:28:33 PM
Quote
Yes, please do stick around mark and I don't mind the 'crap' remark, just don't
agree with it

Am I reading something different to everyone else. ???

Nothing i have  read this year has inspired me out with the odd piece by sparks and victor otherwise it's been bland 2012 means we need to be better original and mos of all
Emtertaing . Ok his may sound harsh but we can all do better

I cannot see a remark about crap. The title yes, but no remarks in this or further posts.  ;)
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on December 31, 2011, 07:35:23 PM
Wow. I'm a newbie here, but I'm a veteran on other writing sites. I think all writers become 'stuck in the mud', when they find they are spending over 50% of their time to one site. I've been on many and left many sites, hell, I've even had the privilege of being kicked off of a few.

I also have the humble honor of running a writing project on a well-known writing site. My project has lasted over two years and has a numerous number of members...;-), it always changes. I don't know if it's appropriate to name the website of my project, so I won't.

A couple of things I've learned in the last few years on the Web-Writer-Reader-Poetry-Etc. sites is that: I will, without a doubt, get insulted to the point of an embarrassing retaliation, then I will be chastised, supported, both or ignored altogether (wisest choice, I say).

And I have found that strong words lead to strong reactions. Strong reactions lead to stronger consequences. I usually feel better when I suffer the worst consequences, but the aftereffects are long-lasting.

That is not to say that I'm a troublemaker...at least not on purpose. I'm a good soul, usually, but sometimes, I blow my top and my brain matter spews on who ever's around at the time. So please, don't take me personally...just take me honestly, and if we become friends, maybe keep one of those cheap 2 dollar umbrellas handy.

Take care, Susan
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 07:38:03 PM
 :D :D ;D ;D ;D
Nice post Susan
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on December 31, 2011, 07:43:10 PM
Thanks, Sparky...is it OK if I call you Sparky instead of your complete name? I have a habit of nicknaming others with shorter names to match my memory.

Again, thank your compliment
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 07:51:42 PM
Most just call me pinhead, so sparky or sparks or Dashers, or S.D. is fine. Real name eric
but don't tell anyone. ;D

I guess the mods were right not to lock this thread. It has energized the forum today for sure!

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 08:11:36 PM
I agree that the bad stuff can help us but I'm not sure that reading threads like this will endear newbies to the site.
We really aren't doing ourselves any favours by extending this discussion IMO (the irony of this post isn't lost on me  ;))
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 08:17:23 PM
I guess you're right drab...it don't look good
but if it can clear the air, it might help.
No need to prolong this storm in a tea cup though.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on December 31, 2011, 08:41:30 PM
I agree with you. I think the thread was censored enough to  maintain the decorum and integrity of the site.

But if there is ONE THING I HAVE LEARNED is NO ONE tweak the content of thier site or their members for the purpose of 'gaining' or 'attracting' NEW members.

I am new and I am here because of exactly what I encountered on THIS site.

You can't win more fans by changing the marketing of your can of soda, just ask Coca Cola, Pepsi, etc.

I have found that on my project, looser is better. Vulger and harmful must be seen and judged by all.

To really get rid of a member, don't respond to thier 'offensive' entry.

They die off from lack of oxygen. To add more hot air to the subject does the opposite, imho.

I'm not judgin' I',m just well, giving my judgmental opinion.

Take care. Susan
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on December 31, 2011, 08:43:37 PM
To look good isn't necesarrily good. Just look at Ted Bundy!  :o
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 08:59:18 PM
Jesus, you're a Scary Mary Susan!
Don't agree with some of your words and I'll probably continue to disagree... should be fun.
If I haven't said it before, you are very welcome.  :-*
Regards
Rev. drab
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on December 31, 2011, 09:09:51 PM
Thank you, Mr. Rev.Drab....I don't enjoy bickering over small 'crap', shall we say?

But I love lovely minds who are fair and far-thinking...

We are diiferent.
In one night of our dreams,
we experience more than
a whole lifetime of many, many other souls.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Gyppo on December 31, 2011, 09:12:31 PM
We are writers.

We do not grow old as those without dreams grow old.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 09:14:24 PM
"We are diiferent.
In one night of our dreams,
we experience more than
a whole lifetime of many, many other souls."


Damn. You said it.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 09:15:38 PM
We are the champions"  Queen ;D
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on December 31, 2011, 09:35:02 PM
....my friend....and we'll keep on fighting till the end....


Thank you, you kind souls who have welcomed me and interacted with me on a level I so admire and appreciate.

Heading for that FIRST bottle of champagne.....it's 9:30pm, I'm tired of waiting for the New Year...it's always too damm slow for me! Come ON!! New Year, Where the hell are ya??

I'm signing off now.

Thank you for such a friendly forum to share my thoughts and feelin's

HNY, everybody.

Susan
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
Yep, its getting near that time
when I start weeping into my beer and mumbling about Old Father Time.
Gonna surf the Times Square Oracle readers, and soothe sayers for the latest updates
of world history.

Happy New Year one and all.

sparkus
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 09:49:35 PM
We sure are as similar as we are solid
and we are all 99.9999999999999% empty space
the real world is full of voids
so there's lots of room for shit or God
and you can't fill a cavity that size with the good stuff,
so guess what's left?

Happy days

I'm in Dublin, it has come and gone.
Check out Sparks New Year poem Sue.
It's wonderful

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on December 31, 2011, 10:00:02 PM
O shucks ::)

Time zones sure confuse the magic moment
when we can say goodbye to the crap and welcome the new crap ;D

Like an old girlfriend once said of me: Still waiting for the fireworks. ;D

Over and out :P

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on December 31, 2011, 10:10:30 PM
Like an old girlfriend once said of me: Still waiting for the fireworks.

Did she not see the irony of the question? (irony seems to be my catchphrase today)  ;D
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on January 02, 2012, 12:07:07 AM
We sure are as similar as we are solid
and we are all 99.9999999999999% empty space
the real world is full of voids
so there's lots of room for shit or God
and you can't fill a cavity that size with the good stuff,


Dear Mr. Rev. Drab, I am asking this sincerely, I swear... (a lot)...which is the 'good stuff'? ;D

Susan
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: indar on January 02, 2012, 12:02:58 PM
Hey Drab---you ever read this one by one of your countrymen---one of the best:

http://www.amazon.com/Quantum-Evolution-Weirdest-Explains-Paperback/dp/0393323102

On my way to San Francisco.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on January 02, 2012, 12:30:17 PM
Thanks indar.
Looks like an interesting book. Does poor old Darwin get a bashing?
The book is 12 years old, has it had any real impact?
The way the quantum world affects biological systems isn't something that ever crossed my mind to be honest. I'm intrigued now.
Should I put this on my 2012 list?

Hi Susan,
Busy day today, I'll be back.  :)
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on January 02, 2012, 02:16:26 PM
It looks like Mark has left the forum.
What a shame. He was a valued member as far as I am concerned.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: Don on January 02, 2012, 02:26:26 PM
Fear not, Sparky. Mark will be back. With a different name, perhaps and a Groucho mustache and Ron Paul eyebrows, but back nonetheless. They always return to the scene of the crime.  ;D
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on January 02, 2012, 02:32:08 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Iv'e never done that Don, when I piss off I am usually too steamed to return.
I hope you're right though. If his disguise is transparent we must all pretend to
look the other way. ;)

Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: indar on January 02, 2012, 05:50:54 PM
By all means put it on your 2012 list I'm fairly certain its still relevant and the hadron collider may have produced some evidence to support this guy's ideas.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on January 02, 2012, 06:06:36 PM
I agree with Sparks, sorry to see Mark go and hope he does return.

Susan,
The good stuff is simply that. We tend to concentrate on the negative. If I go for a walk (I live on the foothills of the Three Rock Mountain) and talk to my wife afterwards, more often than not I'll complain about something instead of recalling the nicer aspects of my walk.
We could 'fill the cavity' with good stuff, but it would be difficult. We live our lives like a music video, everything is rushed, we need instant gratification. We want far more than we need, and we want it now. The good stuff is there but I think we have lost the ability to appreciate it.
End of sermon.  :D
Regards
Rev.drab
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on January 02, 2012, 06:11:48 PM
Thanks indar,
Is he waiting for the Higgs boson as well?
I'd say there are a few physicists out there who hope it'll never be found.  ;)
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: SparkyDashforth on January 02, 2012, 06:12:14 PM
Hi drab,

its kind of like working in an art gallery.  Every day we may walk past beautiful treasures
but all we can relate to is our sore feet. ;)

I agree the "good stuff' is out there, we just forget to see it.
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on January 03, 2012, 08:49:54 AM
There is a new theory that kind of combines these two conversations.

Supposedly...now...the Universe is like a loaf of bread. All the holes in the loaf are different sizes and shapes, etc The bread material is the mass that is in the Universe, intertwined with dark matter (or non-matter, something like that...that are  the holes in the bread.


So, anyway, all the holes are supposed to represent the empty space in 'Space' AKA the NEW DARK MATTER! all the void in the sky that we see around all the stars actually contains something....it's not empty space.

And.....And....they found out about this through the tests done by quantum matter/physics  Profs, get that, eh?!

The ones studying the smallest things (splitting atoms hello, what? how can you do that?, You all told me that the atom, with it's little protons and shit were the smallest, smallest thing in the Universe. Now you've got nanotrons and shit! 

I swear, swear, swear, this is what I saw on the Science channel. And I also swear that I am too old to use recreational drugs anymore. The prescribed ones are pretty good, though.

Thanks to you guys/gals/all

Susan

PS: Damm, I love ellipses, have you noticed that? I just did.

Freaky...

or....maybe I just like the pause effect of the dot, dot, dot, ya know?
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on January 03, 2012, 08:50:51 AM
Or holes in my head...
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: sjhunt2005 on January 03, 2012, 09:03:48 AM
Sorry to triple dip, but maybe if its all crap, there really is a whole lot of anti-crap or dark crap around the crap.

Please forgive me for joking about an obviously serious  matter, Mark..(did I just say that?)

But everyone who leaves is just moving on, imho
Title: Re: It's all crap
Post by: drab on January 03, 2012, 10:38:29 AM
Susan,
Strange the way old ideas keep resurfacing in different guises. The old idea of an ether was replaced by a vacuum, but seems to be making a comeback as the Higgs Field.