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Title: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 08, 2006, 02:38:06 PM
I am proposing that some of us writers write a chain book.
A chain book is a book or book series written by multiple different authors, about the same place and the same people. Just like the old star trek and star wars novels. Not many written by the same author but by multiple different ones
Post your ideas and I might eventually have a nice lineup of characters and a kind of atlas to the place we're looking at. I'd prefer it if this were a Sci-fi book or Fantasy, but i'm open to others, just not mystery or romance please.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WeAreWriters on July 08, 2006, 05:34:27 PM
ooo, fantasy book...
I may help- depending on if it will work and time permitting my other novels :)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: deepika on July 11, 2006, 03:55:01 PM
oh wow.
i wouldnt mind doing a fantasy book!
luv me
--x--
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 11, 2006, 07:29:36 PM
This sounds great - I'd love to work on this kind of project, though I'm guessing that sections by different writers would need to be written consecutively as opposed to simultaneously to avoid conflict. So that each person could be in for a long wait before getting to work on their own story using the established characters. How are you planning to work this? The authors as a group deciding on plot lines and character conflicts or simply picking up from the completed story of the previous writer etc?
Either way it sounds like it could be a fantastic collaboration!
Danni  :)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 12, 2006, 12:36:30 PM
That depends. If we decide to write different books with the same people and places, then we wouldn't have to collaborate, save the standard meeting telling how each book is going. If we decide to do chapter by chapter, each person submitting their own character, then it might take a while, but well worth it in the end. I also want feedback on story lines, give me sum and I can write them down, save them and we can use them later.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Ohshortestone on July 15, 2006, 10:17:51 PM
sounds fun ;D how a about physcic teenage girl who can see the future of other people in her sleep and they haunt her until she meets a boy that she likes a lot and sees him in her sleep getting into a car crash and when she tries to stop it from happening because she loves him, shes in the car accident :( but its just an idea ;) if you dont use that one i think i might
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: pjtudor on July 16, 2006, 01:22:40 AM
Sounds like fun
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: pjtudor on July 16, 2006, 01:27:13 AM
Hey Ohshortestone,
That sounds a bit like Medium were Alison can see people who are danger
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Ohshortestone on July 16, 2006, 09:28:48 AM
ive seen that show before on tv but i never bothered to really watch it, is it any good? and if not it could always be changed ;) i dont think ill participate in the chain book but my idea stands!
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 16, 2006, 10:51:49 AM
I wouldn't mind doing fantasy, as long as it isn't the "Lord of the Ring" kind.
There would have to be some strict guidlines as to what each character is capable of and about the society they live in.

The Star Trek series had very strict guidelines.

Tyger
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 16, 2006, 03:02:09 PM
True, Tyger. We'd have to update one another regularly on new interactions between characters too to maintain continuity between relationships/character histories etc. Else we'll end up with a hundred emails pointing out that in Book One A and B were still married but in Book Three, set three years later, they've been divorced for seven years. Star Trek receives (still) a hell of a lot of fan mail but a lot of the early mail was picking them up on similar inconsistencies... including a problem with the necells (yup, I'm a nerd) and a difference in the noise of the doors. We'd have to be fairly tight with the details to create a chain book/series.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Writers Block on July 16, 2006, 06:22:21 PM
I wouldn't mind doing fantasy, as long as it isn't the "Lord of the Ring" kind.
There would have to be some strict guidlines as to what each character is capable of and about the society they live in.

The Star Trek series had very strict guidelines.

Tyger

Actually LoTR and all good fantasy have strict guidelines.

One of the hardest genres to write imo.  Normal books the universe exists, we know what we can and can't do.

SciFi/Fantasy the universe has to be created, along with all the rules governing it.  Poor implementation of the genres is when the writers don't stick with what they invented, magic and advanced technology are not a 'get out of jail free card', but part of good story telling.

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 16, 2006, 08:15:10 PM
You misunderstand me, WB, I didnt' imply that LOTR doesn't have strict guidelines.
I just don't like writing that kind of story.  :)

What I meant: If we are to write several books with the same characters and in the same universe, we will have to coordinate what each character is supposed to be and how the universe acts toward the characters.

I like writing fantasy because I like creating a universe. It's part of its appeal. The normal world is too boring for me... ;)

Tyger
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 17, 2006, 04:17:36 AM
AAH!!!! It's good to be back in the open in Writers Circle...

 I feel rejuvenated... LOL!  :D

Anyway, I'm with you people with the chain book.
I must propose however, that rules won't do well with me. If we're to write an exotic Fantasy book then I think its primary ingredient should be: Potasium Exoticum.
Which of course is made up of some mystery and romance and other things...

What do you say?
Let us not make it too, sub-genre-based, but the more seasoning it gets the more beautifully it drifts.

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 17, 2006, 09:07:18 AM
Ah, always the rebel, eh?

Think about it though...the reader wants continuation, so if the same character keeps changing from book to book he/she will likely lose interest.

I read many Star Trek TOS books and loved how each book delved deeper into the character's personality, without truly changing anything about the people I had come to care about.

We know those characters from the movies and series, but if we create a whole new set, as matsamu proposes, we will have to make some basic decisions as to who each character is capable of being or else chaos!

Glad you're back WCA, where were you?

Tyger
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 17, 2006, 09:22:56 AM
I recall a game I used to play on the PC called Frontier: Elite 2.  Included with the box was a small book of short stories.  They were essential individual stories in terms of plot, themes and characters, but they were held together by the fact that they were all set in the same place.  Or, maybe you're looking at having each writer's characters to have some connection/interaction with each other, (such as with the films Short Cuts and Magnolia).

Okay, so for a location, how about a hotel?  Each writer takes a room and populates it with their own characters.  As for a connection, aside from the fact they are in the same building, perhaps someone could step up and define some 'global variables' that all stories would be required to recognise, such as a nosey cleaner, an eccentric hotel manager, troublesome guests in another room and so on.

Well, just an idea.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 17, 2006, 09:36:33 AM
Indeed Tyger, the reader wants continuation.
And since the writing didn't start yet, I think we must plan the initiation of the chain book.
So it's time, I think, we open up the floodgate!  :D

I don't think the reader wants a dull storyline with no stirring of emotions and no twists.
It must be a work that oozes with life!!!

I say let's start a vote after we've summed up a soild number of people who wish to co-operate. First thing's first of course...

As for my absence... I had to work on a lot of things from writing and editing drafts, to helping my cousin with his on-going car-shopping (ring any bells dear Tyger?  :P)
Milady I presume you've missed me, eh?  ;)

 
Till our next meeting  :)

- WCA


   
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 17, 2006, 10:41:15 AM
thank you all for seriously considering this Idea with me! Ok. If you are actually serious about this thing, pm me with your name and e-mail so I can rally everyone up and get the basic characters and places together and start this thing up! (I am not asking for your email as a spammer just a writer)

Please respond by Next week monday at 12 pm est. I don't know how to convert that into your time, but you could figure it out.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 17, 2006, 11:25:43 AM
Any ideas on the nature of the plot people?

Because I believe I have one in mind...  ;)

Take care...
- WCA
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 19, 2006, 11:16:44 AM
Ok...wca, what's ur idea? and secondly, how well is the Hotel idea gonna work out. Won't it be kinda hard to write a fantasy book based in a hotel? I can see any other kind of book there: mystery, romance, maybe action, scifi...maybe, but fantasy? I'm not ruling out the idea, just keeping things in perspective here.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 11:34:24 AM
I was thinking maybe, we should set the story in a near-futuristic world. Since, there's not going to be a Middle-earth-like setting, and High Fantasy ambience, I saw that a near-futuristic world can work out for a lot of writers. 
 
The plot revolves not around an epic struggle of good versus evil.
Let us make it darker, more somber in nature.

The protagonist could be seen as an anti-hero whose interaction throughout the story involves him delving into the chasms of his own self -- his own consciousness, his own soul, that take him to various 'phases' of his immortal life.

The writer will then create a phase, choosing whatever age the protagonist can be in: childhood; adolescence; adulthhood; and old age.


Any comments so far...?

     


Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 19, 2006, 11:41:08 AM
Not bad at all...I do like it.

Are you saying that each author that is helping with the book (there are 4 of us so far) will choose their own stage in life? like I could write about his childhood, you could do mid teens traveller could do early adult etc....is that what you're saying?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 11:50:02 AM
Sort of... but not necessarily in a consecutive order.

I could start writing a story of the protagonist during adulthood, and in a critical point at the end of the story for example, he/she supposedly gets stabbed.

As the protagonist drifts away from the body, he/she comes across a spirit of a legendary weaver who crafts the gateways to other periods of time.
The protagonist simply asks of the spirit to return him to a time of chastity before umm... the Great War for instance (play along, ok? haha!!!  :D)
The spirit accepts however, it demands payment -- the broken chastity of another.

So the spirit sends the protagonist back to the time of early adulthood for instance. And my story ends.

So the saga continues with another writer...  :)

You get my drift?   
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 19, 2006, 11:53:05 AM
Yes...but wouldn't your story have to be based on the past...aka the story of another writer. If your guy goes back in time to his childhood, then your story would have to have some kind of basis and continuation on the story coming up. If I write something in a sequel/ prequel, whatever you call it, that doesn't coincide with yours then something may go amiss.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 11:55:21 AM
Hmm....
Maybe you're right... anyway... we'll see what others feel about it.

I came up with the idea in a hurry  :P
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 19, 2006, 12:26:04 PM
Ok...wca, what's ur idea? and secondly, how well is the Hotel idea gonna work out. Won't it be kinda hard to write a fantasy book based in a hotel? I can see any other kind of book there: mystery, romance, maybe action, scifi...maybe, but fantasy? I'm not ruling out the idea, just keeping things in perspective here.

Maybe not a hotel, but an Inn. There are always Inns somewhere in fantasy writing...
Perhaps the characters could at one time visit the Inn or they all start their quest at the Inn, or the innkeeper is secretly a warrior or a sage, etc.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 19, 2006, 12:28:09 PM
Ixnay on the email-ay, but you could msg me the details if you wish.  :)

Tyger
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 12:39:24 PM
I  hereby declare that inns are added to the chain book...

However, now's the time to focus not on the inn, or the inn-keeper, nor the drunk guy at the corner, nor the weary traveler who stopped by to spend a night in peace. And the rest of merry folk at the inn(s).
We must concentrate on the blueprint of bigger stuff... like the story(ies), main characters, etc...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 19, 2006, 12:43:30 PM
hehe, I was just using 'hotel' as a general example.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 01:05:58 PM
Point taken OzMac  :D
Hotel, inn, whatever... it'll be there...  ;)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 01:06:50 PM
So... people!
What do you think of the idea I proposed earlier?

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 19, 2006, 03:46:57 PM
How is an inn gonna be incorporated with your story? (by the way...I'm not shooting any ideas down, just being the group skeptic...no harm, no foul...)

The inn idea works better, for some reason. Maybe Inn sounds better in a fantasy book than Hotel? who knows

Maybe, with your idea wca, the protagonist finds himself in this inn at an early age and it starts him going on into the entire storyline till he's killed in the end, when we actually start the telling of the story.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 19, 2006, 04:13:44 PM
Hi all,
I personally like the Inn/hotel setting (thanks OzMac!) - I'd suggest creating a fantasy world and it's rules of behaviour, then having individual occupants of the inn telling their own stories culminating in the four of them meeting in the inn and moving on from there - either as a team or as enemies and opponents. just an idea.

For a cracking example of how this kind of setting can incorporate and link numerous different stories, check out the cult Tim Roth film 'Four Rooms'. It's pretty dark and might not to be to everyones taste though...

I like the idea of stealing someone else's chastity to redeem your own as a starting point, it's also the kind of thing that could work well told from varying points of view.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 05:49:07 PM
Nice idea Traveller... but... umm... not what I had in mind.  :-\ Sorry!

True... we did agree to use the hotel/inn, but not in the way you proposed...

I was thinking maybe, the hotel/inn (better make it an inn. Sorry OzMac... hehe!) could serve as a place of initiation for one (or more) of the 'phases' I mentioned... not as a focal location.

Anyway, it's not just about me  :D hehe! We'll see what other people have to say about it...

The 'stealing another's chastity to redeem your own' proposition moved me also  :) Sorry to sound conceited since it's my idea!  :D But honestly, it sounds really good!!

You people owe me big time!!! LOL!!!  ;D 


Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 19, 2006, 07:25:55 PM
Sorry WCA but what format has everyone agreed we use the inn in? I can't find it.
My proposal was intended as a way for each writer to be able to work on their own ideas within the group guidelines - whilst being linked by a few common themes and areas not just a single major character which could be limiting
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 07:28:47 PM
Grrrr.....

LOL!!!  :D
Okay you win...

I'm sorry...

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 19, 2006, 07:35:38 PM
Sorry WCA but what format has everyone agreed we use the inn in? I can't find it.
My proposal was intended as a way for each writer to be able to work on their own ideas within the group guidelines - whilst being linked by a few common themes and areas not just a single major character which could be limiting

That would be cool. That gives us more freedom to spin a yarn.
We all have our own style.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 19, 2006, 07:45:34 PM
Hey Traveller.  I was just thinking 'Four Rooms' as I started reading that post.  Weird  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 19, 2006, 07:46:52 PM
Okay ladies, we'll have it your way...

But the Chastity thing stays...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 19, 2006, 08:14:43 PM
I think writing as a team is going to pose a whole new set of challenges, deciding on things for one  ;D
Can't wait!

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 19, 2006, 08:22:08 PM
chas·ti·ty  (chst-t), from castus, pure.
n.
The condition or quality of being pure or chaste.

a. Virginity.
b. Virtuous character.
c. Celibacy.


What context are we going to be writing about chastity in, WCA? Love the idea of an anti-hero deliberately trying to have someone sabotage their own virtuous character... (Thinking 'Cruel Intentions' OzMac ;) ?)
Another character could be a vengeful relative/friend/lover of the injured party?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 19, 2006, 08:35:29 PM
Okay ladies, we'll have it your way...

But the Chastity thing stays...


So what does the chastity thing entail?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 19, 2006, 08:47:42 PM
Quote
So what does the chastity thing entail?

Presumably not getting drunk at a college frat party for a start  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 19, 2006, 09:33:53 PM
Ah, so there is college in your fantasy?
And I wonder what else...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 05:25:59 AM
Drunk frat girls?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 05:31:25 AM
The chastity thing invovles a grander scale of the lexicographer's three definitions you posted Traveller.

It involves a universal bond of virginity, virtuous character, and celibacy.

The story(ies) could start with the protagonist's life being impure at a certain level... and the story proceeds with him trying to redeem himself... maybe?  :-\
Basic idea I know... but we can work on it. And cut me some slack will ya, I'm tired  :D

OzMac... what else do you want in there? Frat group orgies?
Spit it out already!

hehe
       

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 09:12:19 AM
Drunk frat girls?



Dude, if that's your real picture, you shouldn't have to worry about getting them drunk...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 09:14:19 AM
The chastity thing invovles a grander scale of the lexicographer's three definitions you posted Traveller.

It involves a universal bond of virginity, virtuous character, and celibacy.

The story(ies) could start with the protagonist's life being impure at a certain level... and the story proceeds with him trying to redeem himself... maybe?  :-\
Basic idea I know... but we can work on it. And cut me some slack will ya, I'm tired  :D


You mean, sort of like Siddhartha? Where he lives the life of excesses until he realizes that it won't bring him serenity?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 09:16:43 AM

You mean, sort of like Siddhartha? Where he lives the life of excesses until he realizes that it won't bring him serenity?

Okay that's an idea milady...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 09:26:44 AM
Maybe you could use the old saying that money cannot buy happiness.  The protagonist is rich, spends his money on things he doesn't need, fast cars....um, carriages, and loose women.  But, one day he sees a couple who are happy together.  Realises he is not so happy himself and decides he wants a piece of that pie himself.  Well, to start with, he does things how he has always done them and tries to use his money to get what he wants.  But of course, his efforts are promptly rebuffed.

Oh I know, it's not the most original of ideas.  But thats's where you great minds all come in to put a 'twist' on it.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 09:38:19 AM
OK, how about we turn all this around and make the protagonist a she?

Fast carriages, loose men...expensive weapons, drinking, food...

 ;D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 09:41:16 AM
Hmm...
Hmmmmmmm....
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm......

That... that's... that's...

PERFECT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was picturing a female protagonist myself!!!!!!!

Tyger milady!! You own!!!



Okay.. I've just forged a new idea....  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 09:44:27 AM
Tyger should be thanking me.  She wouldn't have been inspired if I hadn't used the word 'him' in my last post  :P
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 09:48:48 AM
Hmph!
Fine let her thank you for that....

But still... I'm the progenitor behind the chastity issue, which brought forth the idea of loose men and women, etc...
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 10:18:43 AM
<sigh!>
And while you're at it, could you resolve the old question about the chicken and the egg?

 ::)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 10:22:20 AM
I was sick after eating chicken and some scotch eggs, (among other things), at a barbeque last week.  I'm quite sure the scotch eggs came out first.

Does that help?  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 10:30:12 AM
Roaring and falling off my chair here.

I'll never look at eggs the same way again
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 10:34:13 AM
Thanks for sharing that with us OzMac...
I'm sure I'll remember you whenever I'm offered a plate of chicken and eggs...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 11:27:42 AM
Ok...as amusing as the chicken and eggs are, ummm...yeah

Heres the notes I have so far:

-Protagonist (possibly rich,dies in the end, given a choice to relive life for the exchange of anothers chastity (which we haven't quite defined yet))

-Something random about frat girls and chickens and eggs

-Oh...and the inn. Which is the only thing we've really agreed on. So...Well we have a couple more days to hash this out before the registration closes for the people to not be able to join anymore...Monday people...Monday!
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 11:29:40 AM
Well it's about time you showed up...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 11:34:38 AM
I posted yesterday! and then it exploded. Sorry if i haven't been as up to it as you have, but i'm in a play....I have other engagements....sorry :'( 

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 11:49:48 AM
How many people have posted? not how many posts, but people...how could you be outnumbered? we're all in this together. One for all and all for the great evil chicken....all praise the cockle. ;D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 11:56:04 AM
So far the protagonist is a woman...

I think it's a good idea.

The plot can stay the same.... but I believe I've something interesting to add  ;D



Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 11:59:14 AM
Well. We have a woman and an Inn....that's it. Great!  we're further along than I expected.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 12:02:31 PM
Do I sense an air of sarcasm here?
LOL!!!

Anyway... we have the mysterious chastity issue that I'm not getting a chance to explain...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 12:30:46 PM
Well...it wasn't sarcastic. I thought we wouldn't begin discussions until we knew everyone on the team. But ok! and secondly, how don't you have a chance? You have fingers to type right? type! It's kinda hard to interupt on a forum...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 12:33:07 PM
I wasn't being interrupted by the forum!!!!
It's basically some other things... some other thoughts...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 12:38:37 PM
Why would we close the registration? The more the merrier!
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 12:51:02 PM
The chastity issue... revolves around the protagonist's struggle with a horrendous lust for both blood and sex.



She spills the blood of those that mysteriously haunt her dreams and memories... from unseen angles here and there...

She became feared, and also worshipped among certain underground cults...

Her shadow... as an angelic succubus.. lies on the thin border between corruption and redemption...

Her vision for justice and harmony is only fueled by the crimson tears she sheds with every bloody draught she consumes...


She thinks of death but... how can you kill one who's... already dead?

Therefore... a vampiric urge has arisen... and the only path that lies before her... is a path to the Empyrean...

As to what the Empyrean is... only her darkest side could tell...

   
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 01:04:13 PM
Creepy...and i'm just saying I want everyone who is in this beginning group to be ready to do the serious work by monday. I want a group together. Once we start adn get the characters and places set, then we can admit more people. I just want one main top group...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 01:05:45 PM
Sexualized violence and gore...and vampires...hmmmmm
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 01:09:11 PM
Sexualized violence and gore...and vampires...hmmmmm

You like it?  :)
Initially the vampire part was a metaphor...
But maybe we could make something out of it... probably a new creature...

Creepy...and i'm just saying I want everyone who is in this beginning group to be ready to do the serious work by monday.

Tell that to those who're into drunk frat girls...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 01:12:57 PM
Hey, whatever nails your coffin down at night, that's all i'm saying....as long as the drunk frat girls aren't in our story. And besides serious stuff doesn't start for another couple days....But stilll...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 01:15:02 PM
You like it?  :)
Initially the vampire part was a metaphor...
But maybe we could make something out of it... probably a new creature...


Actually...no. It's not my thing. I think the market is already oversaturated with vampires. If there were really that many of them, they'd probably starve to death for lack of human blood to suck.
As to sexualized violence...I might have a problem with that, depends. I was highly offended by Sin City.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 01:17:50 PM
Hmmm.....

Anyone else...?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 20, 2006, 01:18:50 PM
Pity...sexuallized violence tends to sell quite a bit. But, must cater to the needs of friends
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 01:23:42 PM
sexual violence is a reality, so if it shows up at some point iin a book I don't have a problem with it (assuming it is not too creepy), but I would not read a book that is exclusively about brutal violence perpetrated on helpless victims, who happen to be naked or prostitutes or strippers, for the sole purpose of selling gore.

(As in "Let's see what are the elements that young males, age 17 like... beautiful naked women, brutality, fast cars, lots of foul language and extended fight scenes...so le't put them all toegher and try to wrap a movie or book around it to see if it sells...that type of approach)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 01:34:11 PM
It's not exclusively about violence against helpless people...
I was just giving some bullet points that can be implemented in infinate ways...

There is violence... there is sexual violence... but that's what the protagonist is struggling with. It could probably be a part of her past...maybe?


We'll make sure to add a lot of seasoning to the plot to make it really interesting...  :)


Because right now Tyger, you're judging the entire story(ies) on but a few bullet points...
It's like saying a story won't work just because it has a dragon and a person with a magic sword.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 01:38:51 PM
I didn't say it woudln't work. I just didn't know if I would like it.

And since that is about the only point I have heard so far (except the drunk frat girls), what else do I have to look at?

I know I wouldn't like the vampire story, but it's not my decision. I just know that I wouldn't want to write a vampire book.
I also wouldn't want to write "Sin City", but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. Some people love that stuff. It's a personal thing.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 20, 2006, 01:40:41 PM
PS:
It's not that I'm not twisted...I just like my twists to be a little more on the subtle side... ;)

Well, I gotta go to the dentist. I'll find out what you all decide when I get back.
Ta ta
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 01:43:27 PM
Indeed I respect your taste milady...
And for that I think we will omit vampires... and I assure you that it won't be Sin City.

However... I see no harm in keeping the bullet points (at least for experimenting  ;D).

Anyway we did decide on a voting scheme right?
 

Say hi to the dentist... LOL!!!
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 03:50:57 PM
Hey, maybe the protagonist could be a dentist  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 04:01:34 PM
OzMac... were you sent to torment me?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 05:36:16 PM
The question you should really be asking yourself is...who sent me?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 06:12:56 PM
It's probably some metacosmic entity with an intriguing sense of humour...
 ;D
And it obviously does not like me...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 20, 2006, 07:03:39 PM
 :D :D :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 20, 2006, 07:49:26 PM
One day off the net and I miss everything!
So a female protagonist, sex and violence (though not exclusively) an Inn and a degree of vampiric tendency (for vampiric read 'consuming regardless of others needs/rights...', Tyger ;) )

Okay, try this.....

There's an old greek myth, the lamia. Lamia was a mortal woman who went to bed with Zeus, Hera got slightly annoyed with this mortal woman sleeping with her husband, turned her into a monster and forced her to eat her own children. Leaving her an immortal 'vampire'/cannibal with a taste for eating children. Lamia is also the latin for witch - there are later myths portraying the Lamia as a vengeance seeking female (very rarely a male or hermaphrodite) who is prompted by violence by men.
There are numerous descriptions of this character - she can pluck out here own eyes at will, she has the body of a snake and the head and breasts of a woman but can shapeshift at will, etc etc.

I read a novel a few years ago which stuck with me, regarding a modern day lamia who would place herself in situations where she could be raped, if the man took the bait he died a very unpleasant death, the protagonist was a shape shifter who suffered moral qualms when she fell in love with a member of the enemy sex..... (I think it's Lamia by Tristan Travis, if anyone's interested -but as I'm packing up to move at the moment it's currently buried at the bottom of one of a dozen boxes so I can't check  >:()

This is a pretty strong and adaptable combination of the points WCA fired off before. Any use?  ???
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 08:09:29 PM
You're a good man OzMac  :D

Oh yeah! And to spice up your expectations my friend... I decided to add something to the plot that'll make it exotic and dark!!!  ;)

Ooooh boy!!!!


Enter the spectacular underground club known as the Sanctum...

At one point in the protagonist's life, she used to work as an exotic dancer in that club.
Her somewhat dark and mysterious beauty had caught the eye of the club's owner. He promised her all the money she wanted in return for satisfying the customers of the Sanctum.
She was then given the title: Succubus for her otherworldly voluptuousness.

Succubus in reality was bisexual, and shared an apartment with her female partner: a blind young woman who showed an uncanny talent in weaving... in spite of her sightlessness!
She used to sit at her loom almost everyday to weave strange images that seemed bizzarely vivid, yet abstract!!! We won't know of these strange tapestries until later... (rest assured; I already know  ;) I just don't want to pour too much...)

Anyway... Succubus had fallen deeply in love with the blind weaver and vice versa. And the more the weaver touched Succubus with her so-called enchanted hands, the more Succubus was able to feel transcendental forces that connected her to the countless threads of the tapestry of the dimensions. She saw the true form of Time, which was -- to her surprise -- not a man... but a woman.

However, things began to twist once the owner of the Sanctum asked Succubus to be his own, personal mistress.
Refusing his offer... Succubus's life in pandemonium had begun... after paying a terrible price.


There's more where that came from if anyone's interested...  :D
    
  
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 08:28:33 PM
That's right milady Tyger,

'consuming regardless of others needs/rights...'  ;D ;D ;D


The idea of the Lamia seems to work with me  ;)!

I've been reading Classical mythology for a long time and the Lamia had always been one of the paradigms of prejudiced female power. And it was certainly not terrifying to me. On the contrary... the Lamia was beautiful -- along with Lilith in Sumerian and Judaic mythologies.
 
Considering her Hecate's progeny, Lamia's dark nature simply involved a female mystery that men had feared throughout the ages... (that's what I personally think...)

Maybe the Mesopotamians were thinking the same upon conceiving the myth of a female dragon-mother-goddess known as Tiamat.


And folks, say hello to the beautiful Lamia, as depicted by Herbert James Draper  ;D ....
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 20, 2006, 08:52:53 PM
Won't find me disagreeing WCA! For a change...  ;)
Haven't come accross Tiamat before, will have to read up on her. Have read that Lamia is synomyous with Lilith, though the legend differs the result is the same with a child eating demonic female.
The Succubus idea is interesting too, looks like we're mixing and matching our mythologies - am I more totally off the ball than usual or is the weaver (and Madam Time) linked with the three blind fates? And could this be a useful basis for a few of our major characters?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 08:57:14 PM
TRAVELLER I LOVE YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

The Norns!!!! The Furies!!!! The Graces!!!! The Morae!!!! etc!!! etc!!! etc!!!

YAY!!!!!!!

 :D :D :D :D :D :D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D



Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 20, 2006, 09:03:46 PM
With a few twists (giving them individual characters like you've gone for with weaver) rather than using the caricatures we come across in film and literature we could build a fair few fantastic characters and a world to match  ;D

PS the Norns?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 09:08:51 PM
Yes, the Norns my dear Traveller!  ;D

Uršr (the past), Veršandi (the being) and Skuld (what's yet to come)...

The Disirs... the weavers of fate in Norse mythology.  :)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 20, 2006, 09:21:59 PM
Think I've missed out on some reading! Love the way so many myths and legends are repeated around the world and given local adaptations.
Definitely think that this is something we could use...

BUT... (I hate 'but...') there's a trilogy of books aimed at teens called the 'wyrd museum trilogy' - have you read these at all? - which deals with the three fates and their weavings and travelling in time, as well as a reincarnated character called Ted who is trying to reclaim his chastity(virtuous character) by reinserting himself into his previous life. We may need to be careful with this.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 20, 2006, 09:24:37 PM
You have me Traveller  ;)

Don't worry!!!  :P :D
 ;D
Title: HYPERBOREAN CONNECTION TO THE TOUCH OF SUCCUBUS?!?!?!?!?
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 02:58:01 PM
People I just had a strange vision!!!
It's about Succubus -- our protagonist.

As I was searching through texts and codices, etc... I cam across a piece of the protagonist's memoir...

The date was unclear... but the word Hyperborea caught my attention!  :o

I've never learned to read or speak the lost Hyperborean language (obviously, since it's a lost language  ::)), but strangely I was able to at that moment...

Now if I'm a hundred per cent certain... the following was what I got out of it:


I came out from the watery depths... naked, with only my feral desire to love and be loved...
To stand upon the pedestal... satisfied with the Rose that bloomed in the core of my being...

A moment after my birth, I looked onto the silver plains of the North... I saw that Rose and took it for myself...
Placing it near to my heart... all I could feel was the light of Healing -- the radiance of the Ether under my skin...

I touched myself then... and felt the ecstacy... a serpent of felicity... I was blind with Love.. and in this Far, Far North... Love was what I felt...
Till the day we all fell and the North was no more...

As I framed my face with my hands... I saw many who called for the place... as for myself...
I called to it also... called to it -- Hyperborea...

The place of my origin... the place of my return...

 


Could Succubus be a decendant of the Hyperboreans? And that the Blind Weaver was....umm...
hmmm............. very... very... VERY... intriguing...

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 04:42:42 PM
hmmm, hyperborean languages are still alive and well and used by eskimos and native americans as well as several unconnected languages... You may need to rename your language, if it's a lost language.
I'm so pedantic  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 06:57:44 PM
Nay Traveller... I speak of something that is lost... the legendary Hyperborea that was once there...
And I'll keep the name Hyperborea  :P...

Hmph!


By the way.. it's an H. P. Lovecraft thing that I did... so don't ask  ;D ;D ;D
Because H. P. Lovecraft owns!!!

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: Tyger on July 21, 2006, 07:09:44 PM
???????
What universe are you all moving in??
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 07:11:46 PM
A universe of mystery... an altered fantasy universe like none other!!

 ;D ;D ;D

Enjoy your stay Tyger and witness the birth of some thing... Grand..


What do you think of the whole thing I added?
Pretty neat huh?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 07:15:22 PM
I get HP Lovecraft, I even like Lovecraft  ;)
I get the Hyperborea reference to the mythical lands north of Greece but it's a name that's used for some existing languages and is the kind of thing an editor might pick up on if this was submitted for publication.
PS Do you have a thing about Roses at the moment? This reminded me (pleasantly) of your Temple of the Rose posting
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 07:18:51 PM
A mythological one at the moment Tyger! Keep an eye out for Medusa, cause she's another one we can have some fun with ;D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 07:19:05 PM
I love roses Traveller...
You have absolutely no idea on the blazing infatuation I feel towards them  ;)

Fine we'll rename the lost language...

Anyway, Hyperborea aside...
What do you think of everything else?
The whole 'decendant of a lost civilization' issue? And the piece of Succubus's memoir?

I think it's beautiful...  ;)



Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 07:22:23 PM
Love the descendant idea - thought you wanted succubus as your lead though? This reads like Succubus could be secondary to the reader... just my take
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 07:24:21 PM
How could she be secondary?
Everything is revolving around her...  ???

I mean... right?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 07:26:54 PM
Medusa was looking pretty hot last time I saw her.  I think she did something with her hair  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 07:45:57 PM
Yeah, she fed it!
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 07:52:37 PM
...
okay...

Don't know what that was about... but okay!!!  ;D
I'll take it!!!

Medusa fed her hair!!!!!!!

YEAH!!!!!!!!!
SERIUOSLY!!!!!!!!!

Ahem!
So where were we..?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 08:00:08 PM
Wheels revolve around axles but it's the wheel that catches the eye not the axle - your posting read a little like that to me, that it'd all be based around her but (unless mainly told in flashback format) by being read by another is open to interpretation and experience by another.
As a reader I have problems with flashbacks - jumping back and forth in time breaks the story up for me and I can get bored of working out where I am and pick up a different book (or film) instead, diary formats can be predictable and uncomfortable too.
If your Succubus is going on a voyage of discovery perhaps have her find the old memoir and work on from there - if she's going to be a decendent of the hyperboreans this could work quite well, while someone finding her memoir centuries later isn't going to give a lot one way or the other.
Plus, are we centering this around Grecian mythology too much? I know we're only batting around ideas at the moment as we've no group consensus till after monday when Matsamu closes the admittance, but I thought we were playing God and creating our own world/s rather than adapting the existing one?
It's a concept that could carry well into a 'new world' though - along with a lot of the other mythology we've been chatting over
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 08:01:37 PM
Hey, everyone's gotta eat! Do you have issues with snakes too? Want to starve the poor little buggers or what?! :-X
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:05:05 PM
See now having dead snakes for hair would just be wrong  :P
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:06:03 PM
Hey, everyone's gotta eat! Do you have issues with snakes too? Want to starve the poor little buggers or what?! :-X
See now having dead snakes for hair would just be wrong :P
...........................................

Wheels revolve around axles but it's the wheel that catches the eye not the axle - your posting read a little like that to me, that it'd all be based around her but (unless mainly told in flashback format) by being read by another is open to interpretation and experience by another.
As a reader I have problems with flashbacks - jumping back and forth in time breaks the story up for me and I can get bored of working out where I am and pick up a different book (or film) instead, diary formats can be predictable and uncomfortable too.
If your Succubus is going on a voyage of discovery perhaps have her find the old memoir and work on from there - if she's going to be a decendent of the hyperboreans this could work quite well, while someone finding her memoir centuries later isn't going to give a lot one way or the other.
Plus, are we centering this around Grecian mythology too much? I know we're only batting around ideas at the moment as we've no group consensus till after monday when Matsamu closes the admittance, but I thought we were playing God and creating our own world/s rather than adapting the existing one?
It's a concept that could carry well into a 'new world' though - along with a lot of the other mythology we've been chatting over

We are creating our own world Traveller!!!! But everything must have essence my dear!!!
Plus... I'm overflowing with ideas!!! Th-the-the pressure!! Okay???!!!  :'(

<sob>

I'm the <sniff> only one who's <sob> doing some serious thinking here!!
All the others are just posting random comments and criticizing...criticizing... and...Criticizing even more!!!!  :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(

<WEEP!!!!>
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:11:45 PM
Is this the queue for icecream?  ::)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:12:30 PM
Stop it Loki....
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 08:14:57 PM
Sorry, WCA - the rest of us are too busy enjoying watching you go into meltdown  ;D

Dead hair = split ends.... that's a real issue if your name's Medusa, just has to keep her hair healthy else the vet's bills are horrendous
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:15:50 PM
Yes WC.  I am the son of Fįrbauti and Laufey  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:17:22 PM
Fine... be my guest(s)...
Amuse yourself(ves) in the ambience of my anguish...

I don't care...
Hmph...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:21:17 PM
Come now WCA.  I was merely proposing a 'new character for the story in a less than obvious way.  You were close when you said Loki.  Indeed, what story can be complete without a trickster?  Someone to stir things up a little.  Someone to cast a spanner into the works now and then?

Okay, I wasn't, but a good recovery though don't you think?  Besides, maybe the story could benefit from a little humour, dark as it may be.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:23:05 PM
You were proposing a character?
When? How?

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:24:13 PM
Just then...with words.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:26:19 PM
No... no... before that...
You said you were proposing a character in a less than obvious way...

Are you telling me that with all the mischief... you were sending a subliminal message?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:31:13 PM
That's exactly right.  Consider my earlier posts of mischief to be none but an audition for our Loki-esque character.  After all, can Succubus' journey progress without aid?  Now, I'm not suggesting a sidekick here, but rather someone who perhaps 'knows' what direction she is heading in, but decides it is more fun to try and trip her up along the way.  It's kind of a secondary 'bad guy' if you will.  But rather than categorize him as such, (or her for that matter), perhaps his/her tripping of protagonist actually aids their progress rather than hinders it in a most subtle way.

Just a thought.  I'm sure someone could expand on it if they wanted to.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 08:31:35 PM
Awwww! WCA! We're British, we have to take the mickey! (Though Alfie's better at it)
Seriously though, I'm looking forward to having some finalised ideas to really build on. I really like your idea of Succubus and her journey, plus the chastity issue - but to be honest with you I'm not sure it's something I could write. If we're doing a group novel, I think I'd definitely need to be writing another characters story as I'm not sure how well I'd write your ideas - part of the reason I like the intermingling stories at the inn concept.
I do have some ideas which could be relevant but it's down to getting up the courage to post them, which really means I should shut-up commenting on yours!
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:35:18 PM
Hmmmm.....
I don't think that was a subliminal message at all... I thnk it's a way to worm yourself out of trouble.
You've put together the pieces of the puzzle after I said the magic word: Loki... son of Fįrbauti and Laufey   ;)

But anyway... I like the trickster character so welcome back... (I... guess...)

Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:37:47 PM
Awwww! WCA! We're British, we have to take the mickey! (Though Alfie's better at it)
Seriously though, I'm looking forward to having some finalised ideas to really build on. I really like your idea of Succubus and her journey, plus the chastity issue - but to be honest with you I'm not sure it's something I could write. If we're doing a group novel, I think I'd definitely need to be writing another characters story as I'm not sure how well I'd write your ideas - part of the reason I like the intermingling stories at the inn concept.
I do have some ideas which could be relevant but it's down to getting up the courage to post them, which really means I should shut-up commenting on yours!


:)
I appreciate your liking my ideas milady...
And I'm glad that your head is finally in focus mode...
LOL!!! :D ;D

I'm looking forward to scrutinizing your ideas  :)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:38:13 PM
Yeah in truth, these are good ideas of yours WCA and certainly you've got a brain in that head of yours.  But perhaps, for the purpose of this being a joint venture, maybe Succubus should not be the main focus.  Well, certainly she could be for your 'section' of the story when we each come to write it.  But rather, should we look at how the Succubus story could interact/co-exist with what other people are going to write?  That's assuming we do still continue with the idea that we each write a different character at the same location, (the inn).

Surely this has been done to some degree before, but I was just thinking of the idea that the people at the inn are each based on different mythologies from over the years.  So, Succubus is there for her reasons.  In the next room could perhaps be, or I don't know, Loki for example.  And on.  Would be interesting to see how these different characters from different eras of mythology perceive one another and/or interact with one another.

Just more thoughts  :P
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 08:40:52 PM
Th-thanks... Alfie.
(That was a bit hard but... I did it!!! :D)
Yay!!
Anyway..... hehe...

Yeah, we'll turn our attention to Loki.. but after we sum up a few things with the sweet Succubus.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 08:41:58 PM
Would be interesting to see how these different characters from different eras of mythology perceive one another and/or interact with one another.

Agree with you on this Alfie, though perhaps not so much from different eras as areas? A lot of mythicological characters have doubles in different mythologies, it could be interesting to play mix and match.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:44:08 PM
Yeah.  Just to reiterate though; I was proposing that said persons in our story be 'based' on mythological characters, as opposed to actually being them.  Though having said that, maybe the opoosite would be more ideal?  I don't know.  Maybe I feel a little restricted that way.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 08:51:58 PM
Medusa gets into an argument over the bar with Baccus about the amount of blackcurrant in her snakebite? Using the actual mythologies could be more trouble than it's worth, the characteristics of these guys would be more fun to play with and (hopefully) more interesting to read than rewriting the characters themselves.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 21, 2006, 08:57:00 PM
Yes, quite agree with you on that.

And I can't quite describe the image I now have of Medusa sipping cider on a warm Summer evening  :D
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 09:03:34 PM
So now Dionysus is in the story(ies)... hmm.....
I wonder what we could make out of him...?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: traveller on July 21, 2006, 09:07:24 PM
I think he just got his role - can you imagine a better bartender? He could be a great comedy character too - lighten things up a little between stories
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 21, 2006, 09:10:08 PM
Yeah... hehe..
And since Dionysus was also a god of peace, wisdom, creativity, and law...
Hmm...

He's gonna end up being one hell of an in-and-out martini...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 22, 2006, 11:28:25 AM
Ok...so we have dionysus as some kind of bartender, and a succubi somewhere. You guys do realize that a Succubus is a female demon who lures male virgins in to their....selves to ....do what men and women do. So are we gonna have some kind of demoness in our story as the protagonist? (nice story by the way wca....good imagery..)
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 22, 2006, 11:36:21 AM
I know what a succubus is Matsamu...

If you re-read the original piece with The Sanctum... you'll discover that the character is not exactly 'a succubus'.
The owner of the club she works in gave her such a name because of her mysterious, alluring beauty.

And also... to be perfectly clear... succubus is more of an epithet for the woman than a name...
I used it as a name in later posts so that you people can keep track of who I'm talking about.

Glad you liked the story.  :)  
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 22, 2006, 11:39:09 AM
Ok. thanx, didn't realize that. So are we using her in the story? i'm confused.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 22, 2006, 11:43:55 AM
Matsamu... do you want me to hit you in the face with a baseball bat?

Of course we're using her in the story(ies)!!! Along with good ol' Dionysus, Medusa, and a Trickster... (I... guess)...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 22, 2006, 11:47:23 AM
Loki the trickster? are you seriously considering mixing mythologies? (i don't like baseball bats, but crowbars have a much prettier sound when you hit something with it) I Like the idea of mxing myths, not a bad idea.
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 22, 2006, 11:51:47 AM
So be it... I have a shiny crowbar in the store-room...  :D

Yes... it seems as if we're mixing mythologies...
But we don't want the characters to look explicitly like their mythical archetypes... we're to manipulate them.
And re-create them and implement them in our world, in our own unique way...

In other words... we're playing God here!  ;D 
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 22, 2006, 11:56:51 AM
We'll know their exact identities, but will the readers? do we explain it to them, or do we just base the characters in the book after the actual gods and godesses? either way, I have always wanted to do a myth story....do you think theres a way we can fit in odysseus? maybe the wierd traveler guy who passes through town every so often....or is it only gods and godesses?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 22, 2006, 12:07:35 PM
Odysseus is awesome!!!  ;D
Thanks for reminding me!!!!!!

I suggest we keep the 'true identities' a secret.

We'll do it just like J. R. R. Tolkien, when he based a lot of his characters and events on the Bible... (Melkor and Satan; Gandalf's 'death' and 'resurrection'; etc...)
Never did he show the real identities of the characters in his works. His letters yes... but that's different.

We'll come up with an Oysseus-like character who is forced to wander out in the open, for example... and meets a hell of a lot of characters an goes through a number of daring experiences... (maybe he can also meet my Succubus... we don't know... yet).
But...
We won't call him Odysseus.

You get my drift?

 
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: matsamu on July 22, 2006, 12:11:09 PM
If you've ever seen "Into the Woods", a musical by Stephen Sondheim, theres' a guy in there, the old man who seems to know exactly what every single person is up to, what they need and what's going to happen. Does that seem like the kind of character he'd be?
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: WCA on July 22, 2006, 12:14:21 PM
He could be... I don't know...

We'll work on him in due time...

Plus... we want to know what the others in this thread think...
Title: Re: Chain Book!
Post by: OzMac on July 22, 2006, 12:16:37 PM
Hi matsamu.

Yeah, we were looking at the possibility of having characters from different mythologies and seeing how they might perceive and interact with one another.  Also, Medusa gets drunk on cider, but tht might be another story altogether, hehe.
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Post by: matsamu on July 22, 2006, 12:20:12 PM
Sweet...yeah we should probably wait...oh well.

Characters we have so far
Dionysus: bartender
Medusa: Ciderholic
Odysseus: Random traveller
Succubus: Sexy lady

anyone  else?
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Post by: traveller on July 22, 2006, 02:17:43 PM
We're missing Loki -as he's a mischevious fella how about making him a porter? Could cause all manner of mayhem
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Post by: traveller on July 22, 2006, 02:20:18 PM
oops - missing the fates too... though I think WCA's compressed them into one character and paired her with succubus?
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Post by: WCA on July 22, 2006, 06:33:33 PM
Yep... the Fates were compressed with Lady Blind Weaver.  :)

However, there is something about the Blind Weaver that you people don't know about...

She may seem to be a character with a powerful role as the catalyst.
But no... in truth a terrible event occurs as the story unfolds and...

<sigh> 
 :(
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Post by: matsamu on July 24, 2006, 11:00:03 AM
Ok. Can someone clarify who the Main character is?
Every good book needs a:

Who: main character
What: main conflict
Where/when: setting
Why: cause and effect

can someone answer these main questions for me? you all seem to have a much better understanding of this thing than I do....for some reason, considering I started this....
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Post by: traveller on July 24, 2006, 08:40:46 PM
I think we need to decide if we're doing a few short(ish) stoires which link to the inn first or one longer novel - this would decide whether we've one main character or several. Barstaff at the Inn are likely to be supporting acts either way though at a guess
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Post by: matsamu on July 28, 2006, 02:31:30 PM
I'm actually willing to do either, but I would prefer each author doing his own story, his own character, based around the inn at some point.

I also had an Idea for when we start writing this:

Say traveller has written five chapters of his story. He would then send copies of it to the rest of us. Each of us make our own corrections and editing and comments, send it back. He writes another five and sends us that set, PLUS the set beforehand to show us what he had done. Good? that way, we'll all be in the loop with each other, and no one is left out of this.
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Post by: pjtudor on August 02, 2006, 02:59:19 AM
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Post by: pjtudor on August 04, 2006, 04:30:11 AM
DON'T EMAIL ME PJ AND YOU NOW THE REST.I JUST MADE THAT ADDRESS UP SO [DON'T EMAIL ME AT THAT]
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Post by: Hino Naoto on August 09, 2006, 02:47:08 AM
Im prob. late jumping on the bandwagon, but it could be REALLY interesting to write a story in that genre about a utopian society. Because everyone here knows, most utopian societys have some ugly ugly inner workings.

*runs away and hides*
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Post by: Hino Naoto on August 09, 2006, 02:50:33 AM
Im prob. late jumping on the bandwagon, but it could be REALLY interesting to write a story in that genre about a utopian society. Because everyone here knows, most utopian societys have some ugly ugly inner workings.

*runs away and hides*

after I got done writing this I thought maybe we could have somthing were people all live in that society and end up showing it fromt heir point of veiw and how they act and react the learning the truth about where they live?
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Post by: matsamu on August 09, 2006, 03:41:13 PM
It's a great idea...but...(damn my but!) We have something. The whole inn thing and the greek myths and stuff. a little difficult to place your story line in with that. Besides...i don't know how much is going to be done. I think WCA is gone somewhere and i know Traveller is... i just don't know any more. I hope we can revive it...
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Post by: Hino Naoto on August 09, 2006, 05:39:38 PM
It's a great idea...but...(damn my but!) We have something. The whole inn thing and the greek myths and stuff. a little difficult to place your story line in with that. Besides...i don't know how much is going to be done. I think WCA is gone somewhere and i know Traveller is... i just don't know any more. I hope we can revive it...

Ihope I get to see how your chian book goes! I LOVE greek myth <333 Should be interesting!!!
I think ill do somthing with my book idea. Just not sure WHAT yet. So many options!
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Post by: custard on August 12, 2006, 06:28:33 PM
I was wondering if i could get in on this. If so, could you PM me.  :)
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Post by: iCeFaiRy on August 15, 2006, 09:58:31 PM
I'm in. PM me and please brief me on the progress, Matsamu.

How about doing a little mythic history of the world (I already have an idea on that). Say, how if we make the great continent Pangea as our home country? That would be something.

Here's the storyline I propose: (I've been brainstorming about this since last year)

There were only humans, animals and plants in this world. (Let's not discuss about God because we may end up fighting each other)
Evil substance (I write substance because I don't know in what form it's going to be) was there too, wanting to screw people's lives.

Evil went to people who love birds at the sky, saying that he can give them wings. He went to people who love the fish in the ocean, saying that he could make them breathe in the water. He went to people who like horses, saying he could make them run like horses. He went to people who beauty, singing and music, saying that he could make the world more beautiful - with those people as the rulers. He also went to people who liked to stay as children and thought that the world should be governed by children.

He promised good fortune, and the kingdom of the world to be their own. So he made a war within Pangea (there were no kings or so, only the communities were different). He turned many humans into bird-men, mermaids and mermen, centaurs, elves, dwarfs.
They (the people) were happy. They went to war. No one won (of course. everybody had the same evil power).

after the war, worse things happen. They figured out that they could not die, just getting older and older and older. They wanted to fight the evil within them, but they couldn't. Some gave up and became the soldiers of evil. Some chose to fight and build their own kingdom through out Pangea.

Our little story started here, with humans as the main characters. I'd like to insert magic, but please don't make them magicians. I'd like to make them "cooperating with nature's forces". Ohhhh... I forgot. Let's make people who love plants and turn them into forest guardians! Fire lover into fire guardian, etc. You get my point already.

Please note that all the creatures were already making a mistake and infected with evil, but some gave in and some regretted their decision. Our characters will fight the ones who joined the evil force. Some of the creatures would willingly help them, they wanted to take off from the dreary world. Some would hesitant to help - they did not want to die. Some would simply exclude themselves from the world and did not want to be involved in anything what so ever.

Please let me know what you guys think, or what you guys have made for the plot. Count me in!! (Sorry I couldn't read all the 11 pages of this topic)
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Post by: matsamu on August 16, 2006, 11:46:06 AM
Don't worry...if i hadn't started it...i don't think i would have finished either..
Good idea. We just need to place in the myth idea with the inn...that's all I ask.
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Post by: custard on August 17, 2006, 05:21:44 AM
this is just an idea and may be rubbish or might have already been done, but, maybe it could be an inn on the edge of the river stix, a place where the dead wait for the boatman to come and collect them. Then each story could be the journey there. You could then incorparate you fantasy by mixing the mortal world with the immortal.
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Post by: matsamu on August 17, 2006, 11:19:24 AM
haha...creepy. Hotel of the unrested dead. Vengeful souls being waited on by incompetent bellboys....
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Post by: custard on August 17, 2006, 06:01:43 PM
maybe i'm wrong but this idea seems to have lost it's organisation. Maybe you could do a poll on different subjects, or maybe do it by PM, just to clarify subject and principles of the story. So far it seems the favourite ideas are, An Inn for the place the stories are told and that the stories should be based on greek myth. Do we need anymore than that? Maybe that is as many rules as is needed. If people research properly and make sure they stick to the fable they began with, this could be a really nice project.

Let me know what you think Matsamu, i'll give any help i can.
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Post by: wizard7wolf on August 31, 2006, 08:00:09 AM
Ok ok ok I haven't read much of the bullsh*t but I'm in
Just kidding I think it's a great idea and wanna be a part of it
PM me and give me the low down
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Post by: iCeFaiRy on September 03, 2006, 03:24:43 AM
Sorry, looks like my previous post if off the topic.  :-[

Has it started yet?

How about making the inn the place of the meeting of the Myth characters? Like Promotheus etc. Then we all can choose one or two characters we're interested in, and write about them, with the end having them meet and trade stories in the inn. So the inn is like the wisdom they've achieved. (not so sure about how to write the idea, it sounds confusing  :-X)

But if we write from a usual angle it will be super-boring, so I guess this idea is so useful.  :)

~Tortoise~
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Post by: L.Carmichael_67 on September 20, 2006, 10:11:46 AM
hey what if we put everyone's cool ideas together, and make them charactors in their different times in the chapters, like each chapter could be about a charactor in their own setting.
Like the idea for the psychic teenager, she could either begin it or end it, like in each vision she has, each charactor comes forth, but also it tells some about her, in either some paralel universe or present time.
my idea would be what about a girl who could travel different realms when she spaces out or falls asleep.

anyway you don't have to like my ideas,
I just thought i'd put my two cents in.
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Post by: SilverDragon11 on September 20, 2006, 08:46:14 PM
i like that idea...but are dragons fiction or science-fiction??? Well, either way they're one of them. I love silver dragons so that's why my user name is how it is. now a days thou people don't like them...well they never did acually. me and my friends at school play a weird game of some kind. where we are diffrent mythical creatures. i of course am silver dragon. they are all diffrent mythical creatures. I live in a volocano so i can keep the heat im my body below the sun's or suris's. well this doesn't make since so you just do what you have to do. see ya!
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Post by: nassj on October 10, 2006, 10:31:53 AM
I read one like that, it was edited by Karen slaughter. It was about a charm bracelet, the different short stories , by different authors were all about the same bracelet. I thought it was good.
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Post by: CallyW on October 13, 2006, 07:12:30 AM
Is it too late to hop on board?
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Post by: matsamu on October 14, 2006, 03:07:48 PM
It's never too late to join. I don't even know if we've started yet...

~matsamu
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Post by: CarrieSheppard on October 14, 2006, 06:55:41 PM
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same people and places

OK if you write concurrently but not consecutively, you'll still have to have some pretty set characteristics and guidlines, if not restrictions.  For example, hero 1 can't get married in section one and again in section two, or hate bolgurian space prawns in section three, but enjoy eating them in section four etc etc.

Why not ask the write a book in a year folks (see welcome board) I think they did something similar?

Anyway, as the daughter of a once (long ago) published sci fi writer, I'm in if there's room!

Carrie
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Post by: matsamu on October 17, 2006, 07:43:03 PM
There's always room for you Carrie!